This is so true...

In fact, I am not sure how many of you on this boards are aware of the fact how cool this community is and how fantastic support we are having from publishers and devs...

I mean for Hezuz sake we have Stardocks CEO as well as main IC guys here chatting with us on daily bases!

Just wow, keep on smiling and enjoy this wonderful game

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In fact, I am not sure how many of you on this boards are aware of the fact how cool this community is and how fantastic support we are having from publishers and devs...

I mean for Hezuz sake we have Stardocks CEO as well as main IC guys here chatting with us on daily bases!

Just wow, keep on smiling and enjoy this wonderful game

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i wish lionhead were like this.  has anyone played Fable 2? that game is crippleled by game breaking glitches and bugs, and more are being turned up.  and aside for a couple of posts by staff, there is almost no contact or feedback from them.  we got maybe one admission that there is a problem, but we were brushed off with "it seems to be a minority problem"

kyogre12, i do the same. i turtle to the extreme, and then when i'm confident in my position, i lash out with many, MANY top-level units, same in SupCom.  i will sit behind 3 complete layers of each tier defensive structure (wall, 3 layers of T1 air, ground/sea, wall, 3 layers of T2, and the same with t3, and shields/cloaks everywhere, the whole lot backed up by too much artillary. and then i throw nukes and experimentals around like there's no tomorrow.

unfortunatly, everyone else is more concerned with winning quickly, or are able to turtle faster (very rarely, cos no one seems to turtle on line, ever)

Oh yeah, I can't wait for Entrenchment. Then all of the defences that I build will actually be useful!

And Archaon: You should see my defences. I almost always play as the UEF, and in FA they have those awesome T3 point defence. 2 walls, then a ton of T2 PD, then a ton of T3 PD, with enough T2 flack and T3 SAMs to stop two of those Serephim bombers from getting over my base. Plus, I have a ton of air superiotity fighters circling my base. And you can never have too much artillery. Oh yeah, and I forgot about the sheilds. Everything is covered by at least 2 sheilds, usually three, and every sheild has at least one of those little engineering drones next to it. Plus I alway like to have at leat 5 fully stocked nuke defences, just in case. I love my defences!

This is my point - there was one bug which a few people found out about and it was fixed within days as 1.11

Yet people keep rubishing online, which stops people trying it as they assume that people are cheating when they lose. That is not the reason. The reason is because online is far more brutal as humans can get better then Unfair AI does....

It would cut it as an online game if you didn't keep putting up posts without anything to back it up. Explain to us (and the devs) an online hack THAT STILL EXISTS IN 1.11!!!

Hacks?  This game is pretty "hack" free, and when there are exploits, they seem to get fixed relatively quickly.

I do hope that you'll reconsider online multiplayer.  Have you thought about coming online and just playing humans v. AI games (comp stomps)?  There is a market and some demand amongst players for humans v. AI games.

I have a hard time believing that in every game you played or the majority of games you played online that it was as simple as you and your friends merely ganging up on another player.  Perhaps you weren't up against decent competition.  (When two people gang up on one player, one of them is liable to be wide open in the back.)

I played my first online game today a 3v3 and we lost.

But it will say I tried my damned hardest

Pace is way faster online but I think I did rather well for winging it. And I learned a few tricks too.

You need to register - same account as forums I think, and then upload your CD key (if you didn't dl). Then click on the ICO button (I'm a bit hazy as I did this months ago, pre-Impulse )

I haven't played online, because historically I'm a rotten RTS player. I love RTS' though; Starcraft, Total Annhilation, Homeworld 2, Dawn of War... I love 'em. I just don't have the time to invest in becoming adequately competitive online. I also like being able to pause a long game, or save it and come back to it whenever I want.

And as much as I love(and I feel I'm competitively skilled at) online team-based FPS', I'm usually the guy who's more interested in the single-player campaign of any game.

I'll probably dive into Sins MP some day, but for now I enjoy playing by my lonesome.

...Also, I've been playing Left 4 Dead until my knuckles bleed.

I don't worry about experienced players kicking me around.

However, I do mind when players don't take the time to check the win/loss records of who they are playing with and check what comes out of their fingers when they type.

On example is a guy came into my FFA game I had created and was patiently waiting for more players and leeched all my players by saying a 3v3 needed 2 more players. I made the mistake of following this guy too as I had been waiting 15-20 minutes already for 6 players.

Now mind you, this is my 3rd game of sins MP and I still haven't absorbed all the information on proper counters despite reading the forums.

So we start playing and I spend 10 minutes trying to direct my allies to, you know, start actually communicating. They refuse to come up with a plan initially while expanding for what units we were each going to build. Strike one.

Strike two, I came up against the game host's units and had to lock horns with the guy. I had built too many Gardas and he had spammed LRM's out the wazoo (we were both TEC). There was no way I could get enough splash damage to eliminate him, I expected him to change his tactics when my kol started to chew through his LRM's but he didn't. Meanwhile I didn't pay attention to how many gardas I was building because I was going the mantra 'Anything but cobalts' from what I'd read on these forums under strategy so far.

Strike 3, I was trying to do some friendly banter with the host and finally the host overran me. The player leech during the course of this three hour game started to feed me resources without asking me what I needed specifically (I was woefully short on crystal the entire game) and he had spent the entire game helping our 3rd ally while the other two teammates dropped from the game and let AI take over.

By the end of the game when I was trying to see if Finest Hour would let 30 gardas, 17 flaks and a kol take out 51 lrm's (I took down 11), I was bored around hour 3 and wasn't in the mood to keep retreating while the other two teammates built a fleet. I understood they had their hands full but they assumed I didn't do anything, while if anything I had put up an extremely good fight on the host till that point.

The player leech, when I didn't want to retreat my fleet:

Cursed me out and demanded I leave the game,

After not examining exactly what I was up against or advising me on how to change my unit makeup

Didn't know what countered illuminators when I asked (I remembered it was fighters after the other 2 had managed the illum spammer already) and claimed you had to just upgrade past him with kodiaks

and continued to feed me resources indiscriminately, when I only needed crystal.

Pro players don't make me afraid I'll lose, it's the intermediate players who think they're skilled and don't communicate at all that make me not want to play online, and the fact that I never see more than 20 players in the lobby when there's sub-30 games going on and sub-100 players online and a hosted game doesn't fill up as fast as it probably should.

Scrimbul, just stick with it.  This game has a learning curve and everyone had to take their lumps at the beginning.  But if you try to learn from  your mistakes you'll improve and become much more competitive over time. Eventually you'll be on winning teams and start to contribute to the victory.  Also, it's possible to find humans v. AI games.  As for the online player counts--they won't improve unless more people come and play it online; it's sort of a vicious circle, which is sad for such a great game.

Just tried online play for the first time last night. The experienced players were nothing but supportive of myself and another new guy in our game. There were some jokes ("Our noob is better than yours, ha, ha"), but it was all in good fun

So yeah, I'm pretty glad I tried it

I give myself a C+ rating; only played about a 10 games Online so far I think.  I NEVER just quit, I always GG and surrender.  In games I won, sadly, only once did someone do the same, they usually just quit; or one guy just left his comp (I think he went to watch a movie) and I had to mop up for almost an hour.

But I think a really good player can win (or put up a great fight) even WITH a noob.  A good general wins regaurdless of the equipment and/or allies he has to work with.  Imagine general Paton screaching and flailing "Whaaa, my ally only has 1 star on his coller; Whaaa, my  tanks are not all platinum X mega tanks!".

 Finally winning against 2xhard AI, playing with my friend who just got Sins (not to mention it's his first RTS ever) was not a challenge to my skills, it was a challenge to my patience and maturaty.  We were slaghtered the first couple games, and I had to fight my urge to yell or lose my temper, not the enemy AI.  I also realized something when it was over:  Most new people just do NOT have the time to read the chat screen while they are frantically trying to keep up.  And they also really don't know what in the heck most ths stuff you are typing means.  My friend had no idea what PD, or Kol, or SC, and most the other terms we take as a second language.  A discussion after the game made it apparant that he did not see most my pings or chat warnings, and did not understand half of what he did have time to read.  If your online and people are "yelling" at you, I can't imagine how discouraging it is if you have to choose between playing the game or reading the "latin" instructions being spammed at you.

I also find it funny how people get angry at good players, or pros that just run them over; like winning is rude???  If they are not cheating, and they win, they are not bad or evil people, and I don't expect them to "not win" to spare my feelings.  I got creamed over and over at Surpreme Commander, but as long as they didn't type rude things while playing (and some actually typed helpfull things) then it's toatally my problem if I get upset at losing.

Anyway, IMO, playing with noobs and new people is the best challenge to YOUR skills, and the best way to increase the player base.  So, if anyone is interested in a Normal speed game (no pirates) vs 2 people for fun (small or medium random map) then look for Star Paladin and Star Wolf. . .  And may the best noob win.

first thing you should try is hae a fun game,  i made alot of friends this way,  even enterd myself a clan.... tough practicly dead now, i learned alot from everyone i now consider a friend

MOST fun games are played with friends,  it's pretty rare to get the same satisfactional feeling playing with unknowns...., even if you do lose...  losing = learning (if u lose the good way "with friends")

now,  for serious, im getting thrown out sometimes using my "original" account becuase it has over 200 games played,  fact is,  i'm just a medicore player,  just cuase i play alot doesnt mean it'll unbalance the game

in order to play more then 75% of the time i have to switch name to actually get playing a game  and in the end, it doesnt always result in me winning.....    so  to be honest,  some "pro" players are actually scared of playing newer players, cuase they get thrown out, and are left behind in the lobby... ( trust me i've got left behind more then once,  for that particular reason)