It is not overpowered. Please see attached. 3 returning armadas! Not one, not two but 3!!!! Vs 2 Advent and one TEC.

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Nerf of Returning Armada is pointless. It sucks! You still need to research to upgrade everything, and you need to build support cruisers or you die! It only overpowers noobs.

the only ship i noticed it not building was siege frigates

You must never use Overseers or Subverters



With Industrial Juggernaut no less!

They can if your longest trade lane isn't big enough - or you don't have enough trade port's at other planets to trade with. Which is usually not a problem if you have the capital and can afford to put 6 around one planet. If you own like 3 planets in the corner of the map and you decide to get rich quick and build 6 trade ports on one planet... won't work, no.

Longest trade lane length gives your trade port's a cap - and you need 6 trade ports on your other planets to get the benefit of that. 6 trade port's on one planet, 0 on others means NO TRADING. No benefit. 3 on one and 3 at an another... thats viable though.



I'm very sorry but if your opponents have gone un-harassed with enough time and money to get up to Dark Armada in the first hour, especially as Vasari who are lacking in logistics slots to begin with, sacrificing all those slots for trade ports, refieries and factories for nine empire research buildings... Which is a huge financial investment too. Then you suck, theres no other way around it. No 'flawlessly executed' or 'properly planned' on their part about it. You just suck. End of story.

Even just getting Insurgency tends to REALLY hurt a RA based Vasari player, since 10 of his tactical slots at every planet are taken up by phase gates. RA is FAR FAR FAR from being a 'end all, be all' strategy.

It doesn't build anti-fighter, siege frigates OR subverters or overseers. It uses up ALL your supply cap. It is an ungodly whore to replace capital ships or adapt your fleet with RA on autocast. HAve to go, scuttle your ships for supply cap, hope no RA comes while your going back to your planet and queuing up your capships... and to top it all off, for ENDGAME they don't even BUILD ships very quickly. On small maps, your better off sticking to factories. MUCH better off. You need a certain critical mass # of planets WITH Phase Stabilizers (expensive and takes 10 tac slots) to even make RA viable to begin with.

Whereas the TEC and Advent help proportionally well - on any map. Each strategy and research has a different positive and negative.

Yes, it does summon sentinels. And carriers (which can build fighters). So the anti fighter component is more then fulfilled.

And it does not need to be set on autocast. 10 phase gates on the 1 to 0 hotkeys and you can phase in supplies anytime you want if a part of your fleet dies. And it still leaves room to rebuild eventually lost capital ships an to add supply cruisers to the mix.

Oh and phase gates can do a lot more then warp in stuff. They are more then just useful on their own. The mobility advantage is just great in large solar systems - you don't need 20 defensive fleets as Vasari, just a few phase gates. That alone makes the 10 tactical slot investment worth it. And what else do you want to buy for these slots? Hangars until all planets are full? That would be an even bigger waste of cash.

I watched this in great detail, and I have to admit it was really fascinating. Mexxa was new, but so was RedLab, at least with Vasari (he didn't know how RA worked, and only researched 1 level of it). As stated, the Vasari players could have gotten a lot more bang for their buck if they had properly researched up the military tree.

Without going down a line by line of what types of mistakes were made, I think we can safely say this proves that extremely high quality fleets, combined with excellent micro, can handle waves of low tech Vasari.

I'm actually really happy to see this, never seen it in any of my games. I still think RA is incredibly powerful (ONCE it gets going), but I'm happy to see that skilled players can stand up to it.

Thanks to the guys who made this available. It was a blast to watch, and the initial clashes at the star systems almost choked my computer.

the diminishing returns are on the EXTRA trade income from the ships having somewhere to go. the base income does not have diminishing returns...

Returning armada definatly is overpowerd


no matter how many replays you show me i'vee seen what I can do with it


the problem here is that .. like any other empire, the vasari need economy.
they do this relatively slow since of the slow trade ports

after they succeed in getting a network established... which happens pretty fast.. the game is nearly over,
al they need is 10 min of time to prepare a few gates and get returning armada tech,

now the heel breaks lose,
rules are changed
the vasari now have a decent economy (if done right) and they can spend that on either ship cap, capital ships, weaopon upgrades, or economy. whilest other empires wil need te preserve some econ for their ships


if done correctly you wil have a harder time fighting a Vasari instead of a TEC lrm rusher

now what happens if the vasari do lose a battle?
nothing really, the returning armada tech sees to it that new ships are always ready.

should you fight the nemy and lose. al you have to do is retreat the capitals ships and wait 5 min for your next fleet




now what i think my be a solution to this:
the fact that once researched returning armada is ALWAYS there, it'll keep resupplying ships with no fee

instead... every phase gate calling a returning armada ship should constantly cost credits, metal and crystal.

now 1 gate shouldnt cost alot, think about 0.3 cr 0.1 metal 0.1 crystal loss per gate
the vasari now have a constant shipbuild rate which does cos tresources like the other races (only cheaper... but thats where RA = for... right?)

and you wil always be able to scuttle a gate should you have a negative income



any thoughts on this??
(people that do know RA has 2 be nerfed)

If the Vasari player tech-rushes to get Returning Armada into action ASAP, s/he'd probably end up drained of cash and resources once the free ships start rolling out. It would take a while to set up a stable economy and then research for support cruisers and extra capital ships, and to get the extra fleet supply so as to actually build those cruisers without RA intervening and shoving a ton of Enforcers and Sentinels down your throat. The Vasari also has huge potential for improvement through military research, which is denied to an RA rusher.

IMO, the Vasari support cruisers are more useful than their TEC counterparts and the Advent's Subjugator(although the Guardian is quite useful).

Stilakus Subverters' Defeat Shields lowers it's target's shield mitigation by 10% and increases the chance of all friendly weapons to negate it's shields by 25%. Used in tandem with Phase Missile weapons systems like Assailants and Bombers, this can wreak havoc, especially on Advent ships. The Subverter's second ability, Distortion Field, disables a target enemy ship's abilities and phase jumping capability for 30 seconds and has a relatively short cool-down time.
Serevun Overseers have 3 abilities. The first is Reactive Nanite Armor which increases the hitpoints of a target friendly ship by 250 and increases it's armor for a while too. It's first upgrade ability is Mobile Phase Detection passive buff, which allows it to see all ships phase jumping into or out of the gravity well in which the Overseer is. The final ability is Jump Degradation, which slows hostile ships moving through phase space by 50% as long as the ability is active.

It is overpowered! On small maps you rush, and you gt fastest LRM, on large maps there isn't even a point, you rush to RA and win :-/ They aren't harder to play than the other races so on any map you can reasonably stall, get RA and win.

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Wow

Asshole rezzed a dead thread. Good job troll.