I need help hosting games » Forum Post by Zanobi

kryo

Join Date 05/2003

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Unfortunately that looks to be a port triggering setting, which isn't the same thing as forwarding (and won't work, AFAIK). As the page does refer to forwarding though, I'd expect there should be settings for that buried somewhere in the panel.

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I looked again and found nothing, alas. I'll call my ISP in a bit and see if they can help me.

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I will use this rather than start new thread. Have same problem...I have read through monks guide, but maybe my english is lacking. It says how things work, but not how to do them acually. How do i change NAT settings, so i can set them on moderate?

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the_Monk

Join Date 01/2008

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Eclipse,

My newest guide "Networking and SINS" does explain how to do everything you need to do in order to host/play SINS. Check the bottom of the "Technical FAQ" for a link to my latest guide.

the Monk

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Um, you need to revise your guide because its confusing for networking illiterate people.

Btw, Im having the same problem of not being able to host games, as is a buddy of mine. Kinda pissing us off, you guys need to patch it if anything, the gamers shouldnt have to go through all this BS and headache just to play a game with a friend.

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the_Monk

Join Date 01/2008

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Um, you need to revise your guide because its confusing for networking illiterate people.

Btw, Im having the same problem of not being able to host games, as is a buddy of mine. Kinda pissing us off, you guys need to patch it if anything, the gamers shouldnt have to go through all this BS and headache just to play a game with a friend.

@ Aurellious

If you truly find my latest (inclusive of all information needed) guide Networking and SINS (linked-to at the bottom of the "Technical FAQ" in the "Technical" forum) to be "too confusing" to read/implement, then you really have no business even using a computer system for the purpose of multiplayer gaming.

Try driving a car without knowing which pedal is the brake pedal etc.?

For god's sake when are people going to realize simply owning a computer system doesn't give you the right (and in so many cases the knowledge) to use it with everything/anything out there without the need for further knowledge?!?

the Monk

EDIT: I have never had a problem explaining the WHAT (hence my effort in compiling guides to begin with) to people who don't know. I certainly don't even have a problem helping people with the HOW (otherwise I wouldn't have talked as many people through it via my TS server as I have), as long as they're willing to learn/understand the WHAT.

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Shockwave, you're not going to get any help like that. Though, to be honest, I agree somewhat, though not with how you're saying it.

I've tried my very hardest to understand yours and others guides, Monk, and for some people it's much harder. And besides, some people learn better when they DO something, not just reading it. I've tried many different things to be able to host, but have not been able to. And I've seen people ask for help, and there is some aspect of eltism of how people act. People take long periods of driving courses before they drive. It's also much more of a necessity than learning how to program your router. It's an unfair comparison.

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congratulations shockwave,

you've just identified the gap between the helpful yet technical and the willing yet ignorant. unfortunately you've proven your self to be neither helpful or willing, just technical and ignorant.

monk,

thank you for taking the time to right your guide. i know computers, but i'm QA not a dev. so i know it's hard to get what's going on sometimes.

i'm having the same problem, but with perseverance, i'll work it out thanks to the likes of you.

peace out

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the_Monk

Join Date 01/2008

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Monk, Your a little beyatch you know that. You may be good at computers and all but just because people dont understand that CRAP you put down on the internet doesnt mean that they have no business playing multiplayer internet games. I read that garbage you wrote too, and dont understand a damn word either. All you wanna do is take credit for writing it. "you can check our MY guide" or "if you read MY guide" is all I see instead of helping people understand it. You and the folks at Stardock must spoon together at night, cause you both suck at helping people and put out crappy products. EAT IT.

@ Shockwave99

Why doesn't it surprise me that you're only 18?

The multitude of people I've helped with SINS-networking issues, including talking those (grateful to know the WHY but having problems with the HOW) through my instructions via my personal TeamSpeak server would respectfully disagree with you.

Have a nice day!

@ the rest

I've always been (and will continue to be) happy to clarify things I've written in my guide. All I ask is that you've taken the time to read it beforehand so I don't have to continually repeat myself. Feel free to contact me privately for one-on-one TS help.

the Monk

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I'm pretty sure that owning a system, and purchasing the game, does in fact grant you the "right" to play multiplayer games unless you're doing something that breaks the terms of agreement with the company.

Monk, you're seriously giving somebody a hard time because they lack network know how? Your analogy about car use is incorrect, it's more along the lines of expecting anyone who knows how to drive a car, to be able to do mechanical repairs.

Anyway, I appreciate your efforts to help people, but you need to realize that not everybody shares your interests. Some people expect a game to actually function out of the box, and not screw with settings they haven't ever had to look at.

Nerd elitism is never cool.

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the_Monk

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I'm pretty sure that owning a system, and purchasing the game, does in fact grant you the "right" to play multiplayer games unless you're doing something that breaks the terms of agreement with the company.

I didn't say that. I said "For god's sake when are people going to realize simply owning a computer system doesn't give you the right (and in so many cases the knowledge) to use it with everything/anything out there without the need for further knowledge?!?" The emphasis on "without the need for further knowledge"

Monk, you're seriously giving somebody a hard time because they lack network know how? Your analogy about car use is incorrect, it's more along the lines of expecting anyone who knows how to drive a car, to be able to do mechanical repairs.

Again, what I said was... "if he truly finds my guide Networking and SINS "confusing" then he really has no business hosting multiplayer games" because if he can't understand that straight-forward (read it yourself, my 12yr old with a mind to try to understand it could) guide he won't be able to correct his setup for hosting. Since when is having to learn how to port-forward like having to learn how to repair a car? When you're port-forwarding you're not repairing something...

Anyway, I appreciate your efforts to help people, but you need to realize that not everybody shares your interests. Some people expect a game to actually function out of the box, and not screw with settings they haven't ever had to look at.Nerd elitism is never cool.

The game does function out the box. There is nothing wrong with it. What is wrong, is that people expect not to have to learn anything at all to use software with their computers. That is wrong. That is why my car analogy does work. Again, what I said was "Try driving a car without knowing which pedal is the brake pedal etc.?" That is similar to "Try hosting a game without knowing which ports to forward etc.?"

I'm elitist? I've offered up time to post, write the guide(s), then talk many people through those instructions via TS (I have stated time and again, that I don't have a problem doing that I've simply asked for the people to have actually read my guide(s) first). I did all of that (and continue to do it) because I'm not an "elitist nerd" who just sits back and laughs when people have technical issues, yet somehow I'm now being called a "little beyatch" by people like Shockwave99. nice.

the Monk

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Again, what I said was... "if he truly finds my guide Networking and SINS "confusing" then he really has no business hosting multiplayer games" because if he can't understand that straight-forward (read it yourself, my 12yr old with a mind to try to understand it could) guide he won't be able to correct his setup for hosting. Since when is having to learn how to port-forward like having to learn how to repair a car? When you're port-forwarding you're not repairing something...

Yes yes, obviously if somebody has a hard time with your guide they're a complete idiot, they should in fact elliminate any form of intelligence testing and simply institute a "can you follow Monks networking guide" system.

The game does function out the box. There is nothing wrong with it. What is wrong, is that people expect not to have to learn anything at all to use software with their computers. That is wrong. That is why my car analogy does work. Again, what I said was "Try driving a car without knowing which pedal is the brake pedal etc.?" That is similar to "Try hosting a game without knowing which ports to forward etc.?"

Funny, as I said, I had to mess with settings that I have never had to touch for a game, and I've played a LOT of games. So either your Sins came out of the box differently than I did, or you're simply being a fanboy who can't acknowledge that geeze maybe a game that needs third party documentation (namely that guide of yours) to aid players in altering system settings so they can simply host games might be have a tiny little flaw in it's execution?

warcraft 3 I just hit play now. Company of heroes, Play now, Sword of the stars...

Well I'm sure if you try hard enough you can get the idea.

Some people have different skill sets Monk, for instance, some people can have a discussion about a subject without coming off as insufferably arrogant. Something that many people find comes quite naturally. Sadly, not all of us are blessed with the social skills of say... a 12 year old?

Anyway, thank you for the guide, but I'm glad I'll never have to deal with you on a personal level.

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Go to your router (RTFM). Find port forwarding. Use your internal IP as the server if it asks you for one (usually same IP as the router settings page) and the port as 6112.

That's really all that needs to be said.

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@Shockwave99 - That little bit of banter you spewed forth from your keyboard is completely unwarranted, unnecessary, insulting and downright fucking stupid. It is self evident lame, ignorant and moronic conduct by people such as yourself that really sow the seeds of discontentment within a community, especially on the Internet where everyone's words are presented as equal in merit due to the nature on the medium. This of course is inherently unreasonable but sadly enough most people dont have time, energy, interest to give a full measure of focus on the issue at hand to understand something before coming to a conclusion. Thus posts like your are akin to cancer which vexes the spirit of the community.

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Carbon, I wish that it was that easy.

You have to have a static IP first, and then maybe it's not the router at all, but your firewall, or some other thing.

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Yes yes, obviously if somebody has a hard time with your guide they're a complete idiot, they should in fact elliminate any form of intelligence testing and simply institute a "can you follow Monks networking guide" system.

While there are places it could use some work (people who only started with computers during the XP / Vista era may not know how to access, much less use, the command prompt...) for the most part it is pretty clear and factual. Even if some parts of it are news to me (McAfee interferes with Sins? Since when?! ./looks at his antivirus icon) for the most part its pretty well written, informative, and accurate.

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the_Monk

Join Date 01/2008

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I guess I could make a v2.0 of my SINS-specific guide with instructions (maybe even some screenshots) of the gui-based alternative to using the "command-prompt" for getting one's IP.

Not that any amount of screenshots, hell even videos would not stop the people who are complaining from complaining. Most of the complaints I've seen have been in regards to HAVING to do anything (eg. port-forwarding etc.) to use SINS MP, not complaints about lack of instruction in knowing how to do so.

Also, there is a version of McAfee that does interfere with SINS (I believe it is one of the corporate versions) which is why I mentioned it in the guide.

Eventhough I don't use any of the anti-malware solutions I mentioned in my guide I have attempted to test as many of them as possible in order for the information contianed within the guide to be as complete and accurate as possible. I have no problem updating the guide with additional information as it becomes available.

thanks,

the Monk

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After finally figuring out how to host, here's what I did.

1. Set up Static Ip.
2. Forward ports on router.

Step 1 and Step 2 can be shown, in detail, by portforward.com in their guide section.

Step 3. Check all your firewalls and any anti-virus software, make sure that they also have port 6112 open, and that they are not blocking Sins.

I'm betting this will solve most of the problems, like has been said. I'm assuming people are missing one of these 3 steps, specifically 1 and 3.

And though I didn't find any use in your guide, Monk(No offense, it's obviously helped alot of people...Just not me.), I appreciate the effort that you put in to making it, and the time you put in to help people on your TS server.

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the_Monk

Join Date 01/2008

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@ Sykonaut

No offense taken. Just curious, which of my guides did you read?

The SINS-specific one (the one I wrote on Feb 14th/08) is pretty clear on your points 2 and 3. My guide(s) don't mention point 1 as it isn't usually an issue, even with DHCP unless there are a lot of constant changes to the network going on (people joining and leaving your local LAN causing your IP to change). I can certainly add information about point 1 to v 2.0 of my guide(s) if it becomes an issue.

thanks,

the Monk

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Also, there is a version of McAfee that does interfere with SINS (I believe it is one of the corporate versions) which is why I mentioned it in the guide.

Oh, I believe you, just pointing out the phrasing might have been a little strong

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Monk-

I read the one that's pinned up on Technical. NETWORKING AND SINS, I think it was. Unless I'm confused, which is possible, because though there's two guides, I've somehow only managed to find one. This was the one that explained the What, not the How. I think you originally wrote it for WiC(Great game, btw.)

I did look for it though. Just never could find it. =P

And I didn't know about point 1. I took it from Portforward.com, and all I know is that now it's working, so I'm not tempted to mess with it.

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