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Taskbar to the left with Start11

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Reply #151 May 25, 2024 7:55:41 PM
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Quoting pelaird,
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I doubt seriously that Microsoft will ever allow the Taskbar anywhere except the bottom. MS has actually deprecated the Windows 10 taskbar registry settings in 24H2, and third party apps such as Explorer Patcher will no longer provide the taskbar on the left or right.

EP has provided the following statement on their website.

    • Taskbar10: The Windows 10 taskbar option is now no longer available on 26002+. (#3053, e57a6b0)

        • This is to comply with Microsoft's removal of the stock Windows 10 taskbar in explorer.exe of said builds.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!  Crap crap crap.  I wasn't aware of that--thank you for letting us (me) know!!  Man.  Well, talk about vindicating Neil's comment above about Stardock's decision not to support that functionality!

I should point out that, at the bottom of that ExplorerPatcher commit you linked, someone posted a link to this article, that says this change isn't quite the end-all for that functionality yet... so I guess there's still hope.

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Reply #152 May 25, 2024 8:21:38 PM
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Quoting Maximillian79,
reply 151

NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!! Crap crap crap. I wasn't aware of that--thank you for letting us (me) know!! Man. Well, talk about vindicating Neil's comment above about Stardock's decision not to support that functionality!

I should point out that, at the bottom of that ExplorerPatcher commit you linked, someone posted a link to this article, that says this change isn't quite the end-all for that functionality yet... so I guess there's still hope.

I can, however, confirm using startallback along with start 11v2 does allow taskbar on the left still on Windows 11. I believe startallback is still planning on functioning with 24h2 (after its official release), but Im not 100 percent what direction EP will be going in.

Still it is pretty cool the dev team of start 11 made this possible.

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Reply #153 May 26, 2024 4:59:46 AM
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Just type 'Feedback' at the Win 11 main menu and the Feedback Hub should be found.

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Reply #154 May 26, 2024 5:29:26 PM
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Quoting davelorde,
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Just type 'Feedback' at the Win 11 main menu and the Feedback Hub should be found.

Windows search for 'Feedback' used to work for me in Win 10. Now, on my new laptop with Win 11, it finds the 'Diagnostics & feedback' settings, but not anymore the feedback hub. Win+F does not do anything wither. On the settings page there is the comment "Some of these settings are managed by your organization" - so maybe my company's IT has disabled feedback hub?

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Reply #155 May 26, 2024 8:56:27 PM
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I don't want this thread to drift too far from the OP's original topic.  For anything outside of it, please create a new thread.

Thanks,

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

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Reply #156 September 12, 2024 11:34:05 AM
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Not being able to move the taskbar to the left side of the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'd be a lifelong subscription customer with it. Without that functionality, all the other stuff doesn't matter.

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Reply #157 October 15, 2024 2:18:38 PM
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Windhawk now has the perfect solution for this. There is a new mod out called "vertical taskbar for Windows 11". This very nicely gets the taskbar to the left.

But....

Currently Start 11 and this mod do not play nicely together. I wonder if an update could change that?

edit -

best work around I have found to run both start 11 and this mod is to also use a windhawk mod titled "click on empty taskbar space" and program the windows key to double click on empty taskbar space. Then program start 11 to only open via the windows key. Not perfect but a start

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Reply #158 October 16, 2024 6:33:36 PM
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Sadly they (Stardock) have said here they have no intention to do so.

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Reply #159 October 17, 2024 10:31:04 AM
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Quoting owcraftsman1,
reply 158

Sadly they (Stardock) have said here they have no intention to do so.

What we have said is we will not use hacks to accomplish things MS will inevitably make moot.

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Reply #160 October 17, 2024 1:00:45 PM
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Quoting sdrohan,
reply 159


Quoting owcraftsman1,
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Sadly they (Stardock) have said here they have no intention to do so.



What we have said is we will not use hacks to accomplish things MS will inevitably make moot.

Sean Drohan
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Nearly every setting is either hard to find or not possible without Start11. So by definition Isn't all this a hack?

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Reply #161 October 17, 2024 1:57:09 PM
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Quoting owcraftsman1,
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Nearly every setting is either hard to find or not possible without Start11. So by definition Isn't all this a hack?

It's all about Micorsoft's definition of what they want to classify as a "hacktool" Stardock has no control over that.

hacktools include explorerpatcher and startallback via Microsofts definition. However, the windhawk mod titled "vertical taskbar for Windows 11" is legitimate (to Microsoft i.e. no windows 10 parts are being used) which is why I posted it here to help find a solution

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Reply #162 October 17, 2024 5:32:21 PM
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I use SAB with no issues but scoured through the Windhawk features and could not find a module for moving task bar to either side.

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Reply #163 October 18, 2024 4:24:40 AM
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Quoting PhoenixRising1,
reply 161


Quoting owcraftsman1,
reply 160

Nearly every setting is either hard to find or not possible without Start11. So by definition Isn't all this a hack?



It's all about Micorsoft's definition of what they want to classify as a "hacktool" Stardock has no control over that.

hacktools include explorerpatcher and startallback via Microsofts definition. However, the windhawk mod titled "vertical taskbar for Windows 11" is legitimate (to Microsoft i.e. no windows 10 parts are being used) which is why I posted it here to help find a solution

Actually I would argue anything that relies on debug data to patch private internal functions or literally scanning for specific instructions in memory would be considered by Microsoft to be a bit of a hack.  I believe many of the windhawk things do that though I don't know if that particular one does or not.

You will notice our apps work just fine even if Microsoft don't put out the pdb files for a build as we need to create software that we can support and sell to businesses.

That said I suspect I know why it isn't happy with S11, in particular it would be unhappy with enhanced taskbar enabled as that wouldn't know what was going on.  With that disabled on the other hand I would have expected to have been happier as it handles vertical taskbars on Win10.

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Reply #164 October 18, 2024 2:29:23 PM
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Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 163

Actually I would argue anything that relies on debug data to patch private internal functions or literally scanning for specific instructions in memory would be considered by Microsoft to be a bit of a hack. I believe many of the windhawk things do that though I don't know if that particular one does or not.

That all sounds tricky for the average user to understand for sure. If the mod titled, "Vertical Taskbar for Windows 11" is in fact considered a hack by Microsoft, even I couldn't tell it was.

Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 163

That said I suspect I know why it isn't happy with S11, in particular it would be unhappy with enhanced taskbar enabled as that wouldn't know what was going on. With that disabled on the other hand I would have expected to have been happier as it handles vertical taskbars on Win10.

Yes, enhanced taskbar does have to be turned off. But even with that turned off any app pressed opens the start 11 menu rather then the intended app. The only solution is to assign the windows key to open start 11 rather then the mouse click. Not sure why that happens

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Reply #165 October 18, 2024 6:38:49 PM
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Quoting PhoenixRising1,
reply 164


Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 163

Actually I would argue anything that relies on debug data to patch private internal functions or literally scanning for specific instructions in memory would be considered by Microsoft to be a bit of a hack. I believe many of the windhawk things do that though I don't know if that particular one does or not.



That all sounds tricky for the average user to understand for sure. If the mod titled, "Vertical Taskbar for Windows 11" is in fact considered a hack by Microsoft, even I couldn't tell it was.


Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 163

That said I suspect I know why it isn't happy with S11, in particular it would be unhappy with enhanced taskbar enabled as that wouldn't know what was going on. With that disabled on the other hand I would have expected to have been happier as it handles vertical taskbars on Win10.



Yes, enhanced taskbar does have to be turned off. But even with that turned off any app pressed opens the start 11 menu rather then the intended app. The only solution is to assign the windows key to open start 11 rather then the mouse click. Not sure why that happens

That sounds like something that might be fixable to me.  From that description I have a pretty good idea on what might be going on there.

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Reply #166 October 19, 2024 1:44:24 PM
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Quoting Neil Banfield,
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That sounds like something that might be fixable to me. From that description I have a pretty good idea on what might be going on there.

I think it would be a great solution for all the people asking for moving the taskbar to the side. It is a modern Windows 11 taskbar.  

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