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how determine what RAM in PC

how determine what RAM in PC

desktop-considering new GTX card

EDIT specy report:

Operating System
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
    Intel Core i7 960 @ 3.20GHz    75 °C 
    Bloomfield 45nm Technology
RAM
    12.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 534MHz (8-8-8-20)
Motherboard
    ASUSTeK Computer INC. SABERTOOTH X58 (LGA1366)    56 °C
Graphics
    VG248 (1920x1080@60Hz)
    2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 (EVGA)    51 °C
Storage
    465GB Western Digital WDC WD50 02AALX-00J37A0 SCSI Disk Device (SATA)    46 °C
    1863GB Western Digital WDC WD20 02FAEX-007BA0 SCSI Disk Device (SATA)    48 °C
Optical Drives
    ATAPI iHAS524 B
Audio
    NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM)

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Is there a way to determine what RAM is unstalled in desktop PC without physically opening case, etc? If so, how? 

I'm looking to play Witcher3 GOTY.  I remember trying to play the base game a while back and getting terrible (to the point of unplayable) lag, and quitting (on to FO4).  Several sites say my sys regs are Ok, but RAM is [probable] weak point.  I'm also considering upgrading to newer GTX card - main positive is getting 4GB of video ram.  Any quality/helpful suggestions?  :)  Thx.

///  System Information   ///
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Time of this report: 12/19/2015, 18:31:09  ///no changes sice this date ///
       Machine name: ...
   Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601)
Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.151019-1254)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
       System Model: System Product Name
               BIOS: BIOS Date: 03/01/11 11:20:48 Ver: 08.00.15
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         960  @ 3.20GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
             Memory: 12288MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 12280MB RAM
          Page File: 2705MB used, 21850MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
   User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
 System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
     DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

Display Devices
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          Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670   <---------------
       Manufacturer: NVIDIA
          Chip type: GeForce GTX 670
           DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1189&SUBSYS_26783842&REV_A1
     Display Memory: 4038 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 1990 MB
      Shared Memory: 2048 MB
       Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
       Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
      Monitor Model: VG248
         Monitor Id: ACI24A5
        Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
        Output Type: HDMI
        Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 10.18.0013.5891 (English)
     Driver Version: 10.18.13.5891
        DDI Version: 11
       Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
  Driver Attributes: Final Retail
   Driver Date/Size: 11/5/2015 12:13:38, 15717864 bytes
        WHQL Logo'd: n/a
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
  Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-52C9-11CF-F14C-75061CC2C735}
          Vendor ID: 0x10DE
          Device ID: 0x1189
          SubSys ID: 0x26783842
        Revision ID: 0x00A1
 Driver Strong Name: oem20.inf:NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.6.1:Section032:10.18.13.5891:pci\ven_10de&dev_1189
     Rank Of Driver: 00E62001

...

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EVR Power Information
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Current Setting: ... (Quality)
  Quality Flags: 2576
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow half deinterlace
    Allow scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 100
  Balanced Flags: 1424
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow batching
    Force half deinterlace
    Force scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 50
  PowerFlags: 1424
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow batching
    Force half deinterlace
    Force scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 0

///end sys info ///

 

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 25

 

Quoting ElanaAhova,

Core was 90 and red

  Yowweeeeee,  Your temps are WAY too high.  ...

What i recommend doing is:
1. Get some new thermal compound like Arctic Silver 5 (AC5). http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm
2. take off the Heatsink fan (HSF) and clean off the old thermal compound. you can use something like rubbing alcohol or acetone.
3. follow the directions for applying AC5.
4. place the HSF on
5. Fully push all 4 push pins down.
After that you should be good to go.   http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/273808-28-what-average-temperature-intel-processor
 I suspect your cooler is not making full contact with the CPU.  If this is a desktop system, pull the cooler, clean it off, reapply more thermal paste and reseat the cooler making sure it makes full contact. Your game isn't going to run well if your CPU is frying.
End of Wizard1956's quote

Yes is Desktop PC.  Thank you for very helpful and concise suggestions.  Will get artic silver, will watch videos about how to seat/unseat HSF, yada.  Thank you again!  -e   +1

 

BTW, I hired a local PC shop to assemble the rig I use.  I should have known they would be sloppy since they did not return to me the generic power supply that I had replaced with a gold yada.  They said it was junk (it was brand new - unopened) and tossed it. 

Reply #27 Top

Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 24

You asked about cpu temp.  I just watched a few episodes of Orphan Black, (video streaming)and then ran speecy.  Core was 90 and red.  Its been decreasing since I stopped the video streaming.  Seems to 'rest' at 66-70 (orange).  When I run speecy, it jumps back up to 74, and then slowly decreases.  I think this means the cpu is running too hot, doesn't it. 
End of ElanaAhova's quote

 

Yes, 90 is bit too much on the high side, the CPU should not be getting that hot when just streaming video IMO. Hard to believe it would be so CPU-intensive. It should have 66-70 degrees during load, not rest/idle at that temp.

Anyway, i think its way more likely cause of your Witcher 3 woes than any RAM issue, i think CPU may get so hot under load in that game, that it throttles to lower speed automatically to cool itself off and that causes the choppiness.

Alternatively it may be some GPU related issue, GTX670 is not exactly the newest GPU, while Witcher is pretty demanding game. But i doubt it has anything with RAM. RAM issues generally manifest in system instability, BSODs and stuff like that.

Reply #28 Top

This wouldn't be a problem for elemental. A 2011 game. That is in 32 bit. But Ya get the temp down I would try these advices before I buy a new cooling system. I would also go back to the computer place, and tell them that they did a bang up job on your custom built pc.

Reply #29 Top

What Wizard1956 said those temperatures will cause BSOD sooner or later, or the system will just shut down to prevent damage.

You should renew Thermal Paste and if you are not compftable doing so yourself, then take it to a local dealer/store and tell them to replace it for you should be around 5 USD.
They usually also blow out dust and have all of the stuff needed. That way you dont have to buy a full ampoule of Artic Silver and spend too much money if you dont have the paste at your disposal.

I just hope that you did not install the stock cpu coller that came with the cpu, cause those are utter crap and should only be used as paperweight.

Let us know about the temps on idle after you changed the thermalpaste.
Also it would be nice to know what program you used to read out the temperatures.

Have a nice weekend 

Reply #30 Top

Quoting benmanns, reply 29

What Wizard1956 said those temperatures will cause BSOD sooner or later, or the system will just shut down to prevent damage.

You should renew Thermal Paste and if you are not compftable doing so yourself, then take it to a local dealer/store and tell them to replace it for you should be around 5 USD.
They usually also blow out dust and have all of the stuff needed. That way you dont have to buy a full ampoule of Artic Silver and spend too much money if you dont have the paste at your disposal.

I just hope that you did not install the stock cpu coller that came with the cpu, cause those are utter crap and should only be used as paperweight.

Let us know about the temps on idle after you changed the thermalpaste.
Also it would be nice to know what program you used to read out the temperatures.

Have a nice weekend 
End of benmanns's quote

Used Speecy to determine temps.  Stock cpu collar?  I bet assembly folks used whatever collar came with the sabertooth mobo (see below). Will ask computer folks to use/get/install better one.  What u recommend?  Will report back after long weekend.

Heres specs on mobo:

  • Intel® LGA1366 socket for Intel® Core™i7 Processor Extreme Edition / Core™i7 Processor
  • Intel® X58/ ICH10R
  • CeraM!X Heatsink Coating Tech. - Larger area for heat dissipation with the revolutionary ceramics-coating technology
  • TUF Components (Alloy Choke, Cap. & MOSFET; certified by military-standard) - Certified for Tough Duty
  • E.S.P. [Efficient Switching Power Design] - Optimal power efficiency for key components
  • True USB 3.0 & SATA 6Gb/s Support

@admiralww   true, never had any problems running elemental, FE, or a fullly modded, w/ 4x graphics Skyrim / FO4. 

Reply #31 Top

Quoting benmanns, reply 29

I just hope that you did not install the stock cpu coller that came with the cpu, cause those are utter crap and should only be used as paperweight.
End of benmanns's quote

Not entirely true.  The 'stock' cooler is entirely adequate for 'stock' usage.

Only those who feel the need to overclock [and stress] everything they have will actually NEED over-pricey watercooling et al.

It's a bit like having a car that redlines at 5500....and you just MUST see if you can get to 7500 in second....

....or in my case [whilst young and stupid] got 6500 in second up the Lakeland Hillclimb in a Spitfire that redlines at 5750.

 

 

 

It's all good if you can afford the rebuild...;)

Reply #32 Top

Yeah, stock cooler is fine for stock speeds.  I've run a few of them myself, and I'm the guy that hates having his temps hit the 70's when he's running a stress test.  You've got a big problem in there somewhere.  It's more of a "my CPU just died from heat degradation" than a performance problem though.

 

 I'd be very surprised if the CPU temperatures would cause Witcher 3 to run poorly though.  Your system is GPU limited, a 670 is nowhere near powerful enough to tax that thing all by itself.  You'd need to be playing a threaded, high load game like Ashes of the Singularity to really work it anywhere near stress test levels.  Shooters and RPG's just don't have that kind of CPU utilization.  I'd expect you to BSOD playing FE if your system is so poorly put together.

 

What is the more likely culprit is the 670's shared memory utilization.  Utilizing that DDR3 1066 is massively slower than the DDR5 in that card.  Once you're above 2GB in video memory requirements, things are going to slow way the fuck down.  This isn't a recommendation to buy faster ram either, it wont help much.  They're entirely different implementations, if you had the hottest DDR4 ram money could buy, it would still run like dogshit next to the dedicated vram.  I'd get one of them nifty new radeon's for a couple hundred bucks and run whatever you want without blowing $700 on a 1080.

Reply #33 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 31

Not entirely true.  The 'stock' cooler is entirely adequate for 'stock' usage.
Only those who feel the need to overclock [and stress] everything they have will actually NEED over-pricey watercooling et al.
End of Jafo's quote

I did not think that you would intall one of these stock coolers Jafo :-"

While on one side i can agree, on the other side i have to disagree and say that on average you will have no good cooling with a stock fan. (also depends on the circulation in the tower itself, and if you run a good bench station you will have fans around that are way better anyway)
Most people i know will only buy the boxed version for warranty reasons, aswell as making sure that they get an untouched/new CPU rather than a refurbished product. But most of these guys overclock... so yeah.
But i never heard about buying them (Boxed) because of the magnificent cooler that comes with it.

Reply #34 Top

Quoting benmanns, reply 33

I did not think that you would intall one of these stock coolers Jafo 
End of benmanns's quote

Been known to....only the last 2 or three systems have had aftermarket ones...and the most recent build/CPU didn't come with a 'stock' cooler anyway.

 

Reply #35 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 32

....  I'd get one of them nifty new radeon's for a couple hundred bucks and run whatever you want without blowing $700 on a 1080.
End of psychoak's quote

radeon instead of a gtx?  puzzled look... I am totally unfamiliar with non-GTX cards.  I google/binged the Raedon, paaears to be three families, and tons of confusing gobilty gook.  Might you suggest a few of the raedon cards, and state why that partictular card.  This will help me cut through all the 'sale-ese' language to whats important.  :)  really appreciate this.

Reply #36 Top

If radeon then why do all the computer people say nvidia is better at gaming in real world scenarios. Unless the guys at the computer place were willing to fix my computer for free because of the bang up job at customizing I would probably take my computer somewhere else to have it fixed. They recommend having it computer cooled, but since you don't sound hardware savvy I would go with fans. Easier to maintain in the long run. If you were going to give computer specs I think the processor generation is important.

 

Reply #37 Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 36

If radeon then why do all the computer people say nvidia is better at gaming in real world scenarios. Unless the guys at the computer place were willing to fix my computer for free because of the bang up job at customizing I would probably take my computer somewhere else to have it fixed. They recommend having it computer cooled, but since you don't sound hardware savvy I would go with fans. Easier to maintain in the long run. If you were going to give computer specs I think the processor generation is important.
End of admiralWillyWilber's quote

Agree about Nvidia, they seem, in the gaming world, to have overwealming supprt vs. radeon, but I'm open to some solid advice for a card that fits the processing lvels of the rest of my rig.  I will never go back to shop that assembled my system.  Processor generation?  You mean a later/faster i7?

Reply #38 Top

It's true, Nvidia is massively more powerful than AMD at present, no comparison at all.  

 

However, their DX12 support is lackluster, and you can get an 8GB card for under 300 that performs extremely well for it's price.  The 6 GB GTX 1060 performs better in benchmark software, but anything truly utilizing the parallelism allowed by DX12 going forward is going to be wasted on it's power.  It's also 2GB shy, and that makes a big difference when you get a game that can use that extra ram.  In real world testing of actual video games, they're largely even, and the rx 480 seems to be in the lead typically.

 

If I wanted to blow $700 on a video card that would be antiquated two years from now, , sure, there's no contest, it's a 1080 GTX or nothing.  If I don't, and there's no reason to on a 5 year old system that will need replaced soon, there's no reason to go Nvidia when their hardware is an evolutionary stage behind the competition when it comes to parallel processing and will probably perform quite poorly on anything that comes out a few years from now.  That system would be CPU bound in most games under DX11 and lose a huge amount of performance versus what the 1080 is actually capable of, it's a terrible buy.

 

They've always had good budget cards, and for a PC that old, you really shouldn't buy anything else even if you have money to throw away.  This isn't coming from some Radeon fanboy either.  Whilst pining for the golden age of Voodoo cards, every system I've built myself has been run by a high end Geforce.  I don't see much hope of that continuing though, they're radically overpriced, and not the least bit future proofed.

Reply #39 Top

@Psychoak  Voodoo cards - what a blast from the past !  Really appreciate your analysis. Its actually very helpful - cuts through the techno-babble.  Don't have cash to throw away, and even if I did, I would not.  [I live a frugal life based on limited income.  I helped other people instead of amassing a nest egg.]  In any case, I would be better off refreshing the silver-collant paste on the CPU to address the high temps, and save my discretionary income for an upgraded or newer rig. 

Summary:

1) for current rig, consider an "Rx 480. c300$  saphire, yada...

2) looking forward - update/repl rig, yes?  Might you suggest a process I could use to get to a good, foward usabe rig without taking gigiantic 'byte$'  :) out of me?

Reply #40 Top

put this way. the cards that amd released this summer (polaris) are not aimed at the top performance market occupied by 1080/1070. supposedly vega is aimed at that segment.

i think the 480 is cheaper than 1060 but less power efficient and less powerful. the 1060 is around or just shy of 980 performance, but cheaper.

Reply #41 Top

Quoting alaknebs, reply 40

put this way. the cards that amd released this summer (polaris) are not aimed at the top performance market occupied by 1080/1070. supposedly vega is aimed at that segment.

i think the 480 is cheaper than 1060 but less power efficient and less powerful. the 1060 is around or just shy of 980 performance, but cheaper.
End of alaknebs's quote

so, a polaris might be a good way to push my ring to near max graphics its capable of given bottlenecks in othe rparts of rig?

Reply #42 Top

480/470/460 are the polaris cards. i don't think there's much point buying older stuff given the leap in performance at relative lower cost. if you are buying stuff, assuming you get the temp fixed, then you just have to decide whether to go amd or nvidia (1060 or the slower/cheaper 1050 when it's released). just a matter of how much money you want to spend at that time. (stuff comes out all the time)

Reply #43 Top

See that is it are you looking for the best, the cheapest, or the best buy. Are we sure that a new graphics card would be better than a ssd or a new motherboard, or a new processor.

Reply #44 Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 43

See that is it are you looking for the best, the cheapest, or the best buy. Are we sure that a new graphics card would be better than a ssd or a new motherboard, or a new processor.
End of admiralWillyWilber's quote


Pretty sure that once the heat issue is resolved a new high end GFX (starting with 1000 series) would be the best option to push the time for a new system further out + you can just plug it into a new system, which will be needed if the OP plans to play future titles on  ULTRA also.

A SSD will not improve the gaming performance or FPS it will only increase loading time, chaninging the motherboard or the cpu will not increase anything if so you need to replace both of these parts and that is where a new system comes into play