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what ports need to be open for multiplayer to work?

November 12, 2015 12:05:14 PM from Ashes of the Singularity ForumsAshes of the Singularity Forums

I can't seem to find any matches, so I am guessing that there are some ports that need to be open in my firewall.  Does anyone know where this is documented? 

 

thanks

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Reply #1 November 12, 2015 1:29:14 PM
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I would say it is because there just aren't many people online, but twice now I have known for a fact someone has created a public lobby and I just can't see it (they could invite me through steam and that worked). I can see some sometimes though so I'm guessing it is not my firewall. Hopefully it is not a Steam region thing. 

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Reply #2 November 13, 2015 1:20:13 PM
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I played my first online match.  I did not have to make any firewall changes.  So I'm all good now.  Not sure what the fuss is about with the ports.

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Reply #3 November 14, 2015 1:10:32 PM
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same ever seen only 1 game ever on multiplayer

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Reply #4 November 17, 2015 11:37:55 AM
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The game uses Steam's multiplayer. Please refer to Valve's instructions here if you need more help with firewall configuration.

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Reply #5 November 17, 2015 5:35:46 PM
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It seems stardock is not getting the issue so please try and join my game I will post the UDP ports used on every try.
https://forums.ashesofthesingularity.com/472838/page/1/

Don't thank me Stardock I did warn you. 

Here are the start up ports.
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Reply #6 November 17, 2015 5:53:19 PM
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Or maybe it's not really an issue. UPnP is fine for nearly everybody on their home networks, and the security issues you reference were on poor configurations and implementations, not the protocol itself. Lastly your beef on this should be with Valve, not Stardock. Such a wierd thing to get fired up about.

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Reply #7 November 17, 2015 6:17:01 PM
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normally there is more outgoing random ports so someone might be doing something...

more ports on the way 

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Reply #8 November 17, 2015 6:48:14 PM
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still only one outgoing port but its still random from the first game as is the incoming to me. 

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Reply #9 November 17, 2015 8:05:14 PM
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Reply #10 November 17, 2015 8:16:33 PM
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I just realized the people you are playing against probably do not care about these posts. They are probably just connecting to you normally, and using UPnP. So there isnt really a purpose to your posts, but go ahead and keep posting them if it makes you feel better.

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Reply #11 November 17, 2015 9:46:49 PM
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Quoting eviator,
reply 10

 but go ahead and keep posting them if it makes you feel better.

Will do.

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any see a pattern or range to these UDP ports? Its imposable to port forward them all unless I use DMZ and no one uses UPnP even the FBI National Infrastructure Protection Center says to disable it for extra protection.
https://www.grc.com/unpnp/unpnp.htm

Making a game where the ports are so random is reckless when there are ways of doing it simpler to achieve the same goal with UDP Traversal and make NAT types compatible along with making everybody happy to play a game. 

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Reply #12 November 17, 2015 10:04:26 PM
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A vulnerability from 2001 is not very convincing, but I suppose that is moot. If UDP Taversal is the future I guess Valve will come along eventually. Good luck!

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Reply #13 November 18, 2015 1:25:41 AM
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Quoting legacyone,
reply 11


any see a pattern or range to these UDP ports? Its imposable to port forward them all unless I use DMZ and no one uses UPnP even the FBI National Infrastructure Protection Center says to disable it for extra protection.
https://www.grc.com/unpnp/unpnp.htm

Making a game where the ports are so random is reckless when there are ways of doing it simpler to achieve the same goal with UDP Traversal and make NAT types compatible along with making everybody happy to play a game. 

 

Straight off the link you sent:

"Note: The FBI's NIPC (National Infrastructure Protection Center) has apparently reversed their original opinion. They no longer assert that Microsoft's Universal Plug & Play services should be disabled for extra protection. The most recent update to their previous two notices — which did advise users to disable the UPnP services — no longer includes this advice."

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Reply #14 November 18, 2015 4:11:01 AM
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Quoting eviator,
reply 12

A vulnerability from 2001 is not very convincing

Good point followed by

http://www.ghacks.net/2013/02/12/test-if-your-routers-upnp-is-exposed-to-the-internet/

All the FBI's NIPC (National Infrastructure Protection Center) did was stop advising not that it was still a problem which turned out to be true.

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Reply #15 November 18, 2015 9:39:22 AM
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There is a lot of misinformation going on in this thread right now, and I don't really understand the agenda behind it. If UDP traversal is superior to UPnP, Valve will move to it, and then Ashes will support it. If you are on a crusade about it, start complaining to Valve, not Stardock. Nearly everyone is operating just fine with Steam's current method (or Steam would have died long ago), so it's going to be an uphill battle. Good luck.

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Reply #16 November 18, 2015 9:58:37 AM
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Quoting eviator,
reply 16

 If UDP traversal is superior to UPnP, Valve will move to it,

You didn't get it did you eviator UDP traversal IS being done its being done in the game right now but its how the ports are for how UDP traversal works that is the problem.

and again Valve can't help at their end its the ports the game uses are end.

 

 

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Reply #17 November 18, 2015 10:06:45 AM
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Quoting legacyone,
reply 17

You didn't get it did you eviator UDP traversal IS being done its being done in the game right now but its how the ports are for how UDP traversal works that is the problem.

and again Valve can't help at their end its the ports the game uses are end.

I guess I didn't get it. Now I do. Language barrier. Sorry for confusing the situation. Good luck.

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Reply #18 November 18, 2015 8:13:03 PM
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the madness must go on.

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Reply #19 November 18, 2015 8:29:44 PM
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Reply #20 December 10, 2015 3:12:07 PM
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Reply #21 December 10, 2015 3:41:10 PM
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Quoting legacyone,
reply 21

V.70

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Is this better?

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Reply #22 December 10, 2015 6:09:21 PM
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Is this better?

No because they have not done anything the ports are random.

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