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I was wrong guys, spawning Titans by fleet beakon does work.

The reason it didn't work before was because I was trying to spawn another factions titan. If the titan you are trying to spawn isn't for that faction (including cosmetic titans), the titan will not appear at the planet.

Absolutely. I'm not exactly sure how spawned titans behave compared to their built counter parts (if time permits I'll do some more tests), so their maybe a few quirks when it comes to the level up I'd bet. And like with capitalships this technique will ignore capitalships slots (So you can end up with negative cap slots and still build more titans).

But it still takes up fleet supply correct? (though I suppose that means you could still build these even if you run out of fleet supply).

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I would guess not. You'd probably want to just let the AI build the titan normally, perhaps let it cheat a little to get it to make its one titan more powerful and easier to replace. But humans could handle multiple titans easily.

Of course.

Capitalship slots are hardcoded, Titans always use 2, capitalships always use 1. The only way I can think of to deal with it if you really wanted to make the production based on abilities is to make capitalship slots a nonissue, say change the starting value to 99, so that fleet supply becomes the only limiting factor with what ships you can build. The price of titans and capitalships could then be adjusted to account for the fact you don't need the capitalship research anymore.

Sure, the thing is the AI isn't really going to understand what that ability does. Its not going to equate using the ability to getting a titan, so it might either A. never use it because it doesn't know to save up resources to use the ability or B. Use it too much because it has the resources and is using the autocast ASAP.

Not very well. But the fact that it researches up to Novaliths and things fairly quickly seems to indicate that they do sometimes.

Well, it couldn't go over the titan limit. But then how often do players choose to go up to the capitalship limit? You may want players to have a fairly generous titan limit to give them the choice but it is probably not practical to spend most of your fleet supply on 13 titans. If you make the limit fairly restrictive, say 3 or 4 and leave titans about as powerful as they are now, yeah it won't be a very big deal.

I was thinking 1-2 for a "higher end" Titan and 4 for the "lower end" Titans. Admittedly, as SoGE is a total conversion mod, our Titans will be different from vanilla Titans. They aren't as strong as vanilla Titans, save for the top three, proportionally speaking.

I've also been thinking about it and implementing a target cap wouldn't be too hard.  Levels are going to get funky.  You level up one, you level up them all probably as it's probably stored as a singular global variable because level persists after death.  That said, the exp might still get distributed between any amount of them in a gravity well oddly enough.  Levels will get so so so strange...

Multiple titans will never be a functional system (without actually making them be capitals) unless you pull some really weird magic with buffs to emulate levels regarding stats, though abilities will still be ridiculous and I don't think there's any way to restrict them artificially.  Of course, if they make it a property of the ship as it is with a capital (which is what they should do anyways), titans would be fine.

Bottom line, unless they change the leveling system, Titans could never be implemented en masse because the leveling would be so wonky and stupid that no one would want to use those mods (though I suppose it could vaguely make sense for the Advent at least because you could just say that they transfer knowledge between their ships).

Just call it calling for reinforcements.  If you need a lore reason, just say that economic cost of building a titan is so huge that you have to enlist the aid of other titans built by other sectors.

As before however, the problem isn't going to be making them.  It'll be making their levels be independent.

This is wonderful news. I wonder how the AI would handle not being able to build Titans, if they would all spawn by ability... Perhaps they would focus more on capital ships and frigates? Or just flat out die and rot?

Okay, I think I've figured out how all of this works now. Spawned titans are always at level 1, period. Built titans will take the same level as the highest titan you've ever controlled, even if its a spawned titan, so its the process of building a titan that gives it its levels, not anything with the titan itself.

I don't know, though I have a couple of different ideas of how to set this up. The obvious is as you said just to completely replace building titans with spawning them, in which you get around the keeping levels thing completely and they basically act like capitalships.

If the AI doesn't like that, you could try keep the titans as they are, but having a separate late level (say 6-8) tech that gives players the ability to spawn titans as well. Thus everyone's first titan is built normally, allowing the AI to still function, but allows human to get multiple titans if they have a lot of resources late game. The only thing is the game won't let you rebuild a titan if you currently have one, even if it was spawned, so if your first/higher level titan gets destroyed you won't be able to rebuild it at its full levels until all of your titans are destroyed. This may not be a bad thing though, it gives a bit of reward for players who only build one titan but use it well, and really makes multiple titans a luxury you should only use for hasting the finishing blow after you've won the main battle.

The third way is for humans get all of their titans via ability but give the AI a unique research that allows it to get access to the normal titan factory. This should keep the AI more competent anyways as it probably wouldn't know how to use multiple titans to its advantage, so the titans retaining levels is a bigger bonus. Humans will always have to start their titans from level 1 but can build multiple, which is something they are better able to use.

I have two thoughts on this and it may run into something that is small fry stuff but...

A.  Spawning Titans like they are going out of business could hit that 2 Gig cap with possible existing changes one might bring in to deal with the titan mass.

B.  Is it possible to cycle titan builds so you have a visual mark to tell in fast order what titan is what...  A visual interface to know them a part is in personal experience, seriously important to game play.