I tried Kols back in the last patch against the damn Halcyons.  Got 3 of them wiith several levels of flak burst to try and defend against 2 Halcyons.  Manually cast the flak bursts, staggering them, waiting for the optimum time to do it each time.  No, it didn't work, so you can bet it won't work against vasari bombers.

I must say, I rather enjoy the shoe being on the other foot.  Now all the Advent players who loved pushing around Vasari with their OP bullshit are getting a taste of their own medicine.  How does it feel?  Revenge is always a dish best served cold.

That was... somewhat of a joke, ha ha.  Really, I don't wish to see the game imbalanced.  The good news is, besides the potential issue with the Skirantra, I think the game has moved more towards a state of balance than it was before.

I don't really see the issue with phase missles, though.  They have been there since the game released.  They have been a core vasari tech from day one - just like Advent gets shields and culture, just like TEC gets armor and hull and eco.  Vasari are saddled with high-supply units, so phase missles and other techs are how they overcome that.

Actually, other capitals are just too underbuffed or weak.

At any rate, here is what I would try.  Instead of trying to match his cap spam with your own cap spam, why not hit him with a frig spam intstead?  How many disciples could you make for the cost of 3 or 4 caps?  At the end of the day, nothing can beat disciples except mass lrm.  I saw Advent players last patch that would build hundreds.  Heavy cruiser spam would just get annihilated by disciples - I tried it.  That guy "White" who plays online just clouds the skies with discples.

Of course I undertand that this is theorycraft at the moment, might not work in practice.  But it's the first thing I'd try.

The problem with that is, the Kol is an abject failure. It's completely worthless, and no ship in the game is nearly as bad as it. Even trying to use a Kol against anything is like shooting yourself in the leg.

After this topic, I do think SB needs a slight nerf. Advent fighters are really weak (1 DPS per Fighter), but it's getting ridiculous that there aren't any real options other than pure flak and LF.

The problem with diciple spam is that, once the enemy knows you have them, he will quickly counter it,

The thing I dont like about this strat is that he can outnumber in the air (3 skintra with 30 bombers wth!?!?!) and as well as heal his units on the gorund. I could go for the bomber strat to counter his, but lets say this. If I have roughly enough anti matter for 7 pushes from my 3 Halcyon Carriers + 13 bombers, once I push the whole wave of bombers back (lets say 90% of his bomber strike craft has been pushed), then the next attack wave of bombers will be so split up that they no longer come in huge bulks...........I can wait for them to reform, but once that happens, i might lose a capital ship.

As the bombers of Vasair have 140hp, and early Halcyon Carriers can only hurt them by 20, its tricky to win the battle. The fact is Advent is the only race which might be able to hold them off for a little whole, TEC on the otherhand, unless they have a level 6 kol with a level 3 flakburst and fighters, they dont stand a chance.

Hawk stop spreading disinformation:

3 LV2 skintras can spamm 9+3x3 that gives 18 bombers and while constantly spamming them they cant heal

It can be easly beatten early game .

In one game i gad egg and 5 skintras all upgraded to lvl 4 with 2 repair and 2 bomber upgrades on skintras.

With no other fleet i wiped TEC fleet (i admit that my opponent  was medicore player) of just above 50 ships with loosing only one carrier.

I used to play Advent but since patch I play either vas or TEC. Vas because of cap cariers (i usually go for 4 skintras before building any cruisers) and as TEC because envoys. Advent sucks as it is. Their envoy is a joke (see my post about envoys) and their fleet is just average. 

Skintras are OP. Yes they can be countered but they can be by only skilled players and a lot of micro(Clan players-not all of them and very few other). The rest is cannon feeder.

Tec are good for embargo rush and if u can get econ developed and envoys out then u can have even match with vasari. Othervise is a tough choice.

Im telling u as a noob, its impossible. Its possible with 2x lv3 skintra and 1x lv5

Sometimes fear can double the amount of bombers. Control your fear. Fight the deamon. Adapt and counter.

There is always a weeknes , a flaw , a way to dicctate the place and time.

Adapt or die

I'm not sure about this at all- you want to compare bombers to the Sova's batteries, and then claim that bombers won't be valuable at all later on if it is revised?

I prefer the other thread to this one,  a player's thread should have replays rather than garbled recounts.  The 'buff Skirantra' replay showed a pair of Skirantras being employed very poorly, but the ship was buffed anyway.  1.01/1.05/1.19 would have been a better patch without the Skirantra buff- is it even bugged, so that it can be used in storms?

However.. from the other thread each L3 Sova battery does about 23 dps and the batteries can't move and have light type armour.. each L3 scramble bombers  3 squad flight has decent armour, phase missiles, extreme mobility and even the base dps is what, over 50...?  To have them out at the same rate seems very much in the Skirantra's favour, so if the third level of the Skirantra would be useless at 2/3 the rate, what does that make the current version of batteries in the later game?

I'm not complaining about batteries, they are what they are, stronger earlier, poorer later.  None of the carriers neded improving with any priority last time, there was never any solid evidence that the Skirantra was too weak.  If the Skirantra absolutely must have some extra advantage then the suggestion for a longer cooldown to the 1.01 version seems reasonable.  However, reverting the buff entirely might be good, as well.  Scramble bombers has been buffed again and again and again- it was already a four star ability in v1.18... The Skirantra also has an area heal for the late game, what does the Sova have?   

I'll agree with this.  Although I would say scramble was a weak ability, I withdrew it from my "priority buff request" list after sufficient experience with the new and improved carriers.

I think the "sweet spot" is somewhere between what we have now and what we had in the previous version, but frankly there are many other abilities that should have had much higher priority than this one (GRG, PMS, Guidance, Animosity, to name a few). 

I've found, particularly when you're comboing with TK push, that fighters will chase after distant bombers and spend way too much of their time moving around, to the point at which they often deal more damage if left to hold ground and just planted in a good spot.

I cant deny all those crying of lum spammers and hellcion spammers after last update  gives me so much joi.

After 6 months of beeing treatten with xxxxx lums and listen bla bla im the best cause i can spam  now u r finaly in the position when spamm isnt enough. Hurt to think? your problem. Everything can be countered.

If u cant, cry me a river

PS 3xSkintra can be countered easly and i can even give u a tip by PM if u  make a statement on forum, Sunny, that u were a maindless lumspammer

Agent, though they aren't tanks, two Skirantras, without using scramble bombers, can defeat one Sova of equal level.  Your tactical situation was different- one of your Skirantras had been damaged and the other was brand-new, plus your opponent had many other frigates and a higher-level cap.

However your main problem was that you vastly overvalued a roid.  You could simply have stayed outside the range of the missile batteries with your Skirantras.  A roid only costs the equivalent of a couple of frigates and they're very easy to rebuild- the priority was to keep your ships healthy and to prevent him taking the roid, not to stop it being bombed.  You hadn't any factories there.

However, you were advocating a heal buff, rather than any other buff.  Area heal is a fantastic ability, but it isn't for single-ship heal.  The least-favoured ability on the Skirantra remains the obscure aura, which might have got the buff, if any buff were needed.

With the carrier caps getting more squadrons, how about making them pay antimatter to rebuild them? Having anything absolutely free just invites spams and reduces skill.  That might give the other caps a chance again, if only at the cost of making the caps less powerful.  I like strong caps- but I hate free strikecraft. 

The problem with that, though, is the Sova (And Skirantra, to a lesser extent), would be weakened considerably. Missile Batteries and Embargo are both fairly antimatter-intensive, and the AM change would make Rapid Manufacturing even worse in battle. Sure, SC are produced instantly, but then the Sova's AM would likey be completely depleted. And the Skirantra would also be weakened, because of the high costs of Repair Cloud.

I'm completely fine with the Halcyon and Sova currently. It's Skirantras with Scramble Bombers that's the problem- and the underpowered caps like the Dunov and Rapture. And completely worthless ones like the Kol.