how can you say the ship itself is weak when it is undiputably the STRONGEST on the list?  Only its fleet cost is unbalanced.  The ship isn't weak, it's just easy to outnumber them.  You're trying to compare a bear to a pack of wolves here, and not sounding very intelligent in the process.  as i've stated before, here and in other posts, the ship is only easily beaten because people try to use it incorrectly.  Being able to use the same tactics with all 3 races would make the game redundant, and your choice of race would become purely aesthetic.

allegience86, i fully agree with your last post.  People are repurposing units and becoming irritaded when it blows up in their faces.

Are you capable at all of any mathematical reasoning whatsoever?  If not, I suggest you don't post on topics like this, because it is you who doesn't sound very intelligent in the process.

The ship isn't "undisputably the strongest on the list."  That is your lack of an ability in mathematical reasoning and logic leading you to the wrong conclusion on this, and perhaps many other things as well.  It is undisputably the WEAKEST on the list.

A simple example, which I'm guessing won't matter a hill of beans to you:

tank for faction A costs 1 resource, has 1 hull point, and does 1 dps.  tank for faction B costs 10 resources, has 5 hull points, and does 5 dps.  Which is the stronger tank?

"Tank for faction B is the strongest tank," you are no doubt saying.  The correct answer is that the tank for faction A is the strongest.  If you can't see that, I'll leave it to others to try to help you out.

Yes, you've stated it before, and you were wrong before, just as you are now.  You are also being somewhat absurd.  Pros who would slaughter you in a game so fast it would be ridiculous can't figure out how to use the ship correctly, but somehow you can lecture to all of us that you know how to use the ship correctly?  I'd tone down the hot air a notch, and approach the discussion with a little more humilty.  I mean, how can we take you seriously?

I don't think that anyone here is advocating making all races the same.

Who here has repurposed anything?  Do you even know what you are saying, or do you just like to babble aimlessly?

Why wouldn't the Vasari put the biggest possible guns on their ships? They had to fight and crush enemy civilisations to build their empire not just pirates. Putting a big gun and armour on a supertanker doesn't all of a sudden make it superior to purpose built warships.

Quoted for the massively annoying truth.

Except for the fact that obviously the devs miss things. If they didn't they wouldnt create patches and hotfixes. They also wouldn't read the forums to see what we, the players, see is wrong or is great. They know we love the game, they also know that in general we are playing more often than they can are able to.

There is always room for improvement. MP or SP.

The big issues for SP and MP may have some overlap, but in general the top priorities for one game mode are not the same as the other.  While coarse game balance is important to everyone, fine game balance is more important to MP.  The AI has enough weaknesses and shortcomings that by the time you're advanced enough to start nit-picking details you can crush it with two arms tied behind your back, so those fine details are rather moot.  For us in multiplayer, a few fine details are the difference between being overrun or surviving the first 20 minutes of the game.

Just because fine-tune balance is a multiplayer issue doesn't mean we're crying that everything should be about MP.  All to the contrary, I'm very active in proposing improvements to the AI which would primarily benefit singleplayer.  You don't see multiplayer gamers coming around telling you that you're being a selfish SP gamer for wanting a better AI.  No, we all have our own priorities and favoured game-type, and we express that here on the forums.

if you're all basing your strength and weakness on the number of supply point, then say that.  the way these have all been written you're just saying it's weak and expecting everyone to read your mind.

and yes, EVERYONE in MP is repurposing units.  spamming itself is repurposing because you're just trying to focus on one ship type to beat your opponent instead of actually coming up with a decent strategy that benefits from all your units.

ex.  an army of snipers may sound like a good idea, but they're worthless against a tank brigade.  for that you need tanks of your own. 

Goooooozzzfrahbah.

Anger is bad. Go to your happy place.

What happened in the last patch was that the light frigates got buffed, so what used to be a niche that you could get by without is now a core unit (as it should be), and the issue of the skirmisher's relative weakness compared to the other two has become glaring. 

In 20/20 hindsight, we should have seen this coming; all the light frigates got stronger and lo and behold the faction with the worst light frigate (by a considerable margin) got the short end of the stick.

People are complaining about an imbalanced (weak) skirmisher.  I will elaborate in more detail further down.

If you can get a Tyr, a Cykur, a JJ, or a RagingAmish (or other similar pro-type) to agree with you that yes, yae-verily, your "strategies" are viable and will allow a pro to win games vs. other pros, then we might accept what you have to say.  My guess is, a Tyr, a Cykur, a JJ, or a RagingAmish type would tell you that you are wrong.

If you want to prove that you are right, there is a very simple thing you can do.  Challenge any of the following names to a dual online, where you pick vasari and they pick another race:  Tyr, Cykur, JJ, RagingAmish, Berzerker, etc.  Does that sound simple and fair enough?  Come on, show us how these brilliant hit and run strategems are supposed to work in practice.  Show us how to correctly use the skirmisher.  We're all ears.

Now, as far as what people are "bitching about."  Darvin3 can probably elaborate on this better than I can, because at the moment I cannot play online because my connection is too laggy and people won't play with me.  But from what I understand, this is what happened:

1) The last patch buffed light frigates (and maybe scouts?  can someone confirm?).

2) The vasari skirmisher was always weak, but the buff to all the light frigates made it, on a comparative basis, even more weak when compared to the others than it was before.

Now, why does this matter?  Again, hopefully Darvin3 can elaborate, but picture a scenario where you as a vasari start next to an advent player.  He viciously scout/disciple rushes you.  If you counter with skirmishers, his disciples murder them.  If you counter with scouts, his combination of scouts and disciples murder your scouts.  If you drop a military lab and counter with assailants, he murders your assailants with scouts.  What are you supposed to do?

This is why your and the other guy's responses of "it's only a problem in multiplayer" or "quit repurposing units" (or, I guess "use hit and run tactics" or "use reintegration") just don't make sense at best, and are dumb/counterproductive at worst.  If you chose vasari and the other guy is scout/disciple rushing you, what are you supposed to do?  Send him a text message in game saying "quit repurposing units!"  Or perhaps "this isn't a problem in single player, so stop doing that!"  Or maybe "Hey!  Lay off about 10 mintues so I can get reintegration!"

As far as your advice on employing strategems such as "hit and run" to counter a scout/disciple rush, let me ask you a question.  Do you truly think that a player like Tyr, JJ, RagingAmish, Cykur, whoever, hasn't thought of such a strategem or hasn't tried it?  They either 1) thought of it but rejected it as a bad strategy, 2) they tried it and it doesn't work, or 3) even THEY lack the skill to pull it off correctly, which means it would be even more impossible to pull off for the rest of us (including you).

The reason why none of this is a problem in single player is because the AI will never scout/disciple rush you.  But the unit imbalance is still there regardless.

I got a bit carried away, but  you used snipes v. tanks as an example of spamming one unit.

except that snipers are lrfs. the LF (skirm) is your basic infantryman, of which, any military has more of than tanks. Regardless, I lost my temper and that WAS childish, so sorry. I of course sill politely disagree