i absolutely agree

I read the "review" by the guy who has anger issues, and in the comments, I found this rebuttle, which you can file under "PWNED!" Note: the qoutes from the "review" are marked with an arrow.

>I have no  clue. It's impossible to tell most of them apart except for Optimus and the Racist Twins (there's another yellow Autobot who I constantly thought was Bumblebee). There could be 46, or there could be 12. I honestly would believe 12 if someone had said that.

Either blind or inept. Also, there is no other yellow Autobot.

>The Autobots have joined the military to hunt down the Decepticons. We're told the Decepticons are "doing things," but they appear to be hiding peacefully when the Autobots show up and brutally murder them.

Its called pre-emptive strikes. Decepticons are clearly mobilizing for a reason

>But the Allspark killed Megatron in the first movie.
>Yes.
>...and now it can also bring him back to life.
>It's very powerful, this Allspark.

The allspark overloaded Megatron. The shard brough him back online. This is Transformers 101

>Shouldn't they have sent Starscream or somebody?

Because Starscream would totally just fit right in the surroundings

>Didn't Sam touch the shard and get the symbols stuck in his head on his first day of college?

No, the symbols were in his head since the end of the first movie. The fallen actually explained this

>Well, if one shard brought Megatron back to life, can't Sam just use his shard piece to resurrect Optimus?
>Yes. He could.

No. Optimus is 100% dead. A shard would not bring him back to life.

>Ah! Remember the shard? Sam uses it to bring Jetfire back to life!

Jetfire wasn't dead.

>Transformers don't teleport.

Yes they do, they are called Seekers, and Jetfire is specifically called a seeker

>Yeah, for a little while. But then the Transformers in heaven send him back because he still has work to do.

This is what happened in the cartoon movie, except with Rodimus.

so the only way to revive optimus was with that crazy key/energy?

I really liked it, but I shouldn't have gone in with a skeptical attitude, as I probably didn't enjoy it as much I should have. I thought the first was a lttle bit better.

The violence is great. The first one sent shivers down my spine, though I got used to it by the end. The action in the first was better, in a way I can't explain, though. (Hate it when that happens). Parents were annoying as hell, and I found it really annoying how the Decepticons always spied and hacked into networks to find things.

I also think this one had more dramatic cliche's in it, such as the main characters dying and then coming back to life.

In the end, great film, will be buying it when it comes to DVD.

Although one wonders why Optimus didn't KEEP Jetfire's parts..... they definately made him stronger, and Jetfire certainly wasn't going to want them back anytime soon..... although I suppose this could just be another incidence of my missing Transformers 101.

It does, however, make perfect sense to me that it would take much more "juice" to revive Optimus (who IS, after all, a Prime) than it would to revive a very powerful but essentially "common" bot like Megatron.

And no, I did not think the twins were racist. Stupid? Yes. Racist? No. In fact, they reminded me of the football jocks @ my school, all of whom are white. (I live in one of those "planned communities", and there is maybe one family of African descent in the entire place.)

That is what I said, they ripped apart the Decepticon and used his spark and his parts to fix Megatron.

Well, he did hand Optimus his own spark too. The way the movie explained it, since Optimus was a Prime the key was the only thing that could bring him back.

Dere woz robotz, an dey were punchin' each ovver.

Its robots, kicking the fuck out of each other for 2hours.

What did you expect as far as storyline was concerned? Hamlet?

Furthermore, to quote: "Lord of the rings is just people walking, for 3 movies."

I meant allspark. I'm trying to rethink this situation.

If they didn't need allspark to save Megatron, why wait so long? of course they may upset the autobots more if they got him, but still, he's there number one guy? And the doctor dude that fixed him asked for parts, so I think they used the allspark to revive him, because then what happened to it?

So if that's the case why wouldn't sam use his one optimus? i dont remember him even trying to bring it up. he used it on jetfire to revive* him.

if it can give life why not bring back to life? did optimus need more power so had to use key to come back to life because he was a prime? was megatron even dead when he was at bottom of ocean?

what if they didn't need alllspark, just a spark from a decepticon or other transformer? well like i said, why wait so long? they clearly could hide or leave and comeback and they had a bunch of decipticons elsewhere so who cares if they leave some on earth and then come back

i believe we have a lack of clear evidence either way, maybe i'll go again and take a closer look as to make sure we aren't missing anything cause i remeber jetfire ripping out his spark thing(blue thing), but i do not remember what they did with it, nor do i remember what happened to the guy under the water  when they killed him

ps - rezonator, then answer me why they waited so long to revive megatron if it's "straight forward"? it isn't - there's inconsistencies and shit that doesn't make sense everywhere. and optimus wasn't weak cause they took the key back, it was because the fallen nailed him, i'm pretty sure that was "straight forward"

Exactly.

I will endeavor to explain this in some way that makes sense:

• Megatron was overloaded by the Cube's (aka. Allspark's) power at the end of the last movie.
• Two fragments of the Cube were recovered from his body: one that Sam kept in his pocket, and another that Optimus gave to the military for safekeeping.
• The shard Sam had was forgotten, because quite honestly Sam is an idiot, and it stayed in his shirt until he found it.
• When he did, it implanted the symbols in his head and activated a few low-power Decepticons from kitchen appliances, whic Bumblebee was quick to eradicate.
• He then gave it to the creepy mechanic girl for safekeeping.
• The RC car bot that has been keeping watch over Sam tracks the cube to Mistress Mikela's House Of Robot Bondage (sorry, but she DOES deserve it ), where he tries and fails to get ahold of it.
• The Decepticons steal the other fragment in an elaborite heist that has been in motion since the last movie (soundwave's hacking into the satellite, the incident in China, and so on were to learn the location of the cube). Note that they had no idea there was an esier fragment in Sam's possession: the recon bot had no real chance to tell them.
  
• Using BOTH the stolen cube shard and parts from a cannibalised... colleague, they revive Megatron at the bottom of the ocean.
• He goes back to his friend out by Saturn, who tells him that the cube has bonded to Sam.
• In short order, Megatron hunts down Sam and "extracts" the coordinates from his brain before the gang escapes.
• Using info from the captured spy bot and S7's records, Sam tracks down Jetfire and uses his shard to get the bot's attention (not "revive" him so much as make him notice that this wasn't just another tourist).
  
• Sam finds the Matrix and uses it to revive Optimus (it apparently takes a Matrix to revive a Prime).
• The Fallen then steals the matrix and uses it to activate the sun device.
• Here is the core of this matter: Jetrfire uses his parts to enhance Optimus. His parts, NOT his spark. I heard him say "parts" very clearly in the dialog. I suppose he removed the spark and killed himself to prevent Optimus from going all heroic and refusing the parts, or maybe because they COULDN'T be removed while he was alive. The point is, the spark-ripping was NOT necessary to revive or repair Optuimus.
• I have several theories as to why Optimus needed the parts in the first place, but in the end I suppose it is moot:

1. Although technically alive, Optimus was still damaged and needed new ones.
2. Even at full power on his own, Optimus was still weaker than the Fallen, and needed more power from Jetfire to defeat him. (This is the most likely, as the Fallen is said to be "stronger than his brothers")
   
3. It took both parts and "juice" to revive Megatron. Maybe it takes both parts and "juice" to fully revive any Transformer.

I know that this is all rather contrived, but you did ask for a way this could work....

man, theres sooo much to consider, that movie was long. alright so main point

they needed the key to bring optimus back to life because he's so damn awesome, that is correct, right?

i'm guessing the blue thing was his power soource, not his spirt. otherwise all that stuff seems about right

i'm pretty sure the blue thing was his power source, not his soul/spirit