Its good to know that you got a game at least.  I would have had some... choice words for the ones who kicked you from the game were that me.  you may not have many multi games under you belt, but that doesn't mean you're a bad player.

I defenatly agree with Orodum. I only have 14 MP games under my belt but 2 times ive beaten one guy who has over 200, and a few times ive creamed people who have played over 50 games

It's a shame Sins has had no TV, magazine advertising, I went on Halo PC the other day and found 800 dedicated servers with about 1000 people online, Thats Halo 1 not 2, about 6 years old and still gaining new fans.

I think the point P5yy is that he was kicked out rather rudely. I assume it be different if they handled what they said better. No one likes to be called," nooby ". If they had be the slightest respectful they could ask nicely if StrykeZero could leave for a player with higher games played or anything nicer than lets kick the noobs. And if they wanted that elite ranked players just to join then make it private or something. It could of been handled better by those who were setting up the game.

StrykeZero, welcome to ICO. You find there are quite a few ppl like that online and since its a very small community they stick out even more. I suggest you find some fellow players who are casual and such and get a group together and play between yourselfs. I know, alot of people who do play online tend to play with just their friends of people they have met and have enjoyed playing with. If your really interested in the clans, You might as well kiss your non SINS life away. Thats what it takes to get to that level for most.

I'm not trying to prove myself or join a clan I just don't like the fact it was discussed in the game lobby that "those two nooby players" should be kicked. Even though their was hardly anyone online and people were struggling to fill games.

The thing though was that the game wasn't labelled skilled, there wasn't a password and it wasn't set to friends only. It was an open public game where anyone can join.

Thanks I have found a few people who play a nice fair game who I tend to play with regularly. Oh btw P5yy I played a game with you before, it was good. We made sweet monkey love to the other teams faces.

I have seen many a player kicked for being a "noob" or even a smurf.  I haven't done so myself because i only rarely host games.  Generally when people have been booted when I have been around, it was a skilled game or someone was making room for another skilled player that we already knew.  I have had too many times when I get a bit angry cause I have some unknown player on my team and as soon as the slightest bad thing happens, they ditch out of the game.  They dont dig in and delay.  They don't feed.  Lots of times they don't even ask for help.  They just leave and gimp the rest of the team.  Its not about being elitist most times that I have seen.  Its about playing with people that won't leave you high and dry.  I personally don't care much for stomping on people that don't play as well unless I am outnumbered by them.  Just my opinion.  I would play with about anyone though.

[_]-Greyfox

If a couple of skilled players are looking for a good well skill balanced match and don't want new players who have little knowledge on advanced game mechanics possibly ruining the game for them thats fine by me. I would recommend that new players find someone who is willing to play a game with them and teach them the basics.

I would also suggest showing a little courtesy towards new players and people you don't want in the lobby. There are methods for making a lobby private that have already been discussed here. If you choose not to use these methods then at least explain why you are removing them from the lobby or ask them to leave respectfully.

Also their is a difference between newb and n00b. Everyone is a newb when they start playing a game but a n00b is someone who has little skill regardless of playtime or knowledge of game mechanics.

Very well put...just because some of us have little to no "games" on-line does not mean that we are not skilled...I have played many, many games through LAN and personally feel that I am a good player at the types of games that I like to play.  So, if I get onto to ICO tonight with less than 10 games played on-line, should I be treated as a newb or a less-skilled player because I have low numbers???

This is also a very good point...just practice common sense and some courtesy...it's really not that hard.

Well, at least you did it to Sins101...that at least makes it somewhat justified...

I'm not a huge online player. This is due in part to people assuming that your stats are a direct relation to your skill. And while I can see this perspective is in general true, I would rather have the ability to turn off stat tracking. Not on a global level, but on a personal level. I would rather see reputations build and passed by word of mouth (or in this case word of type). Granted it is harder to accomplish with a small community, but that is what I would rather see.

The discussion I see in this topic shows reasons for both sides of that line (having stats and not having stats). Both do have valid points to make. On the one hand, having stats shows experience, but at the same time people can pad their stats or a new player will have lower stats than people want to see. On the other hand passing reputation by word has the advantage that you don't have to guess at the numbers, but at the same time one bad report can ruin a reputation. While I don't often play online I do watch a select few of the communities, and have seen this happen a few times. Even with stats one bad report, can cause a lot of damage to one's reputation.

I don't play to see who is the better player. I honestly don't care who is better. I play to have fun.

Now, I will admit I haven't played a game of Sins of a Solar Empire online. My current schedule has most of my time spent on homework. I've had to let the MMOs I play sit on the sideline for the same reason.

As to the original discussion, it is rude to be kicked out of a group with no explanation. I can understand the aspect of being removed from a group to include someone you know better, but at least say why. Personally, I would ask if someone would volunteer to leave. After that it is a matter of my state of mind, and which friend, at that point in time. In some cases I will apologize to the friend and take a rain-check. In other cases I might kick someone in favor of the friend.