Thx Kruppe, for detailed answer, you are completely right, I am aware of their mistakes...

But I would be very much interested to know, if it is even possible to win an on-line game, supposed it would be again 3 vs 1 (me or you) and all of them would be very much experienced (suppose the same level)? Could great strategy still cause, that one player would win over three???

And second question: If they were aware of your 9 Marza ships and also aware of possiblity how to destroy them, is there chance or possibility, that you can manage to maintain them using other means??? (e.g. other cap ships, other abilities?)

And third question: What does this mean: "(9x phaze out hull = 9 dead marzas)"? How to phaze out all hull on them? Who can do that?

Thx again for your reply, which is much appreciated...

Best regards

Josef

PS.: "they lets you build up over 100000 credit reserve LoL, l2pressure

(if played with sufficiant aggrsion that will never ever happen)" - This was possible due to the fact, that some of these enemies were at the beginning of the game (I guess first hour) my allies, so that I was able not to care much about attacking of my enemies and expand very quickly (within first hour I was in possession of more than 15 planets with almost all possible structures on them eg. trade ports), so that in time my allies became enemies I already had more than 30 thousand credit growing 70 every second...).

That´s right, "if you would see your enemy massing out cap ships", their problem was, they couldn´t see that, as I was producing them on planet completely hidden from their sight, so they realized that I have produced them only after I have attacked first enemy planet and detroyed it within 10 seconds...

I would like to know, how to kill these 9 Marza ships, if I would be on the other side in such a game (i.e. my enemy would have these ships), if this is even possible... and which kind of empire would be better for killing them - TEC, Vasari or Advent?

Thx for reply.

Josef

yes ofc, i may have sounded a little harsh, no matter how good you are noone is omipotet, and at some point there will be a misinterpretation of the enemys intent, but given truly equal skill the greater econ vs ship costs should win

(in a 3v1 there is 6000 suply vs 2000) possible but unlikely)

say in an open battle, fleets jumping in from opposite ends etc, you will loose a few each battle(200 bomber squards WILL onshot anything) but dunovs(shield recharge) and horis can make them live longer. in a cap heavy TEC fleet i would use (2x dunnov 1x marza 1x kol)x3 if you want 16 caps. prolly only x2 and then argument with the other caps for the last 4

Antorak Marauder

Phase Out Hull
Level available: 1 / 3 / 5
Antimatter cost: 60 / 50 / 40
Cooldown time: 5 / 3 / 2
Affects: friendly or enemy frigate, capital ship or structure
Range: 7000
Duration: 6 / 8 / 10
Effect(s):
Interrupt
Invulnerable
Disable abilities
Disable construction
Disable Phase Jump
Disable ship engines
Disable regeneration
Disable weapons
Phase out (cannot be targeted)

you got 9 marzas i got 9 Antorak's, i'll phaze out 8 marzas and kill 1 at the time. there are lots of abillities that can do this.

if they had spread out their fleets to attack all your worlds at the same time -->you would need 15 planets building defences + 15 frigfactorys pumping to buy time for your main fleet to move around. i dont care how strong your econ was it would drain it( this is where the 2000 vs 6000 fleet come in)

Thx for your professional answer, so if I understood you good, carriers can do away with enemy carriers, I see also logic in this math, but what about Marza cap ships and destroying them?

And if I would have e.g. 100 fighters together with 9 Marza´s, I don´t mind if advent comes to my planet with 1 thousand fighters, as within first 10 seconds I will destroy completely all carriers and befor their 1000 fighters destroy all my Marza´s, I will simply fly away from that planet... I made it precisely once, fighters have managed to destroy within 30 seconds (till I leaved this planet) two Marza´s, but I destroyed all carriers completely and survived with 7 Marza´s...

No you wont, against a competent oponent atleast

he will jump in 100carries in the oposite end of the gravwell(from your marza's) and order all his strikecraft to focus on 1 marza. that will kill it in 1 pass, then he jumps back out with his carriers

in battle you just lost a lvl 6 marza and he lost a cruiser carrier, do that 9 times and ....

In terms of countering, for Advent, you could also take the direct approach and win with your own fleet of 9 high-level caps - here's my anti-Marza spam advent fleet:

2 Radiances (with level 2 or 3 Animosity)

3 Progenitors (all with level 3 Shield regen, one with level 3 Malice)

4 Raptures (all with level 3 Vengeance)

As soon as the 9 Marzas get into range to activate Missile barrage, you cast Vengeance on the 2 radiances and 2 progenitors, while a Radiance uses Animosity to draw the fire of all non-Marza ships.  The progenitors use Shield regen to keep your ships alive until the Marzas are in range of Malice.  (they're doing about 450 DPS after shield mitigation, 180 which will be regenerated)

Once Malice is up, each of the Marzas is taking 4x missile barrage damage from each of the Vengeanced ships, plus 8x damage from each of the other Marzas.  Any accompanying ships, such as Hoshikos, are also taking 8x damage, so they'll die in about 2 seconds.  Since the Marzas are taking 12x damage, and you're only taking 9x, they'll die first (and if the barrage finishes, Animosity from the other Vengeanged radiance should let you finish them off).

The other day I was TEC vs 1 hard AI.  I assaulted the Pirates base and let loose 2 MB on them almost simultaneously(I had 2 Marza, 1 Akkan and 1 Dunov).  Yes MB is very useful, but I was disappointed with the results.  It is good for being able to hit that many targets simultaneously, but it is slow in delievering the damage.  I don't know how much damage it did, but roughly half of the pirate ships survived that.  I am not sure that is any more efficient than an Advent fleet with Malice, Animosity and Vengence combo (a good Advent fleet can do a lot of damage and staying alive at the same time).  It would be nice if I can get a couple  Marzas to level 6 or better, but I don't think they are overly powerful.  Also why would a player sit there and take 20 volleys?

What I am trying to say is Marza with MB is just one way to play the game and not the invincible Horyuken.

yes ofc