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cough*  yeah tough.. carriers are way to strong,   im fine with them having 2 squads,   just make em a little bit more expenisive

(like 1000 cr)  and dont make advent even more expensive!!, they should have fighters as their main force, so why make em so expensive T_T?

ofcourse squads being to strong remains... flaks should do ALOT of damage vs squads,  if a squad enters a flak frigate's range it should atleast lose 1 or 2 units, cuase at the moment,  if's way cheaper getting your own carriers with fighter rather then building amassed flak frigates, cuase they wont do much, even if they do get into range....

so

1:  make flak ships totaly own squads (that's what theyre there for right???)

2: carriers have to be even more expensive since they house 2 squads,  having their price around 1000 cr 200 metal 180 crystal should be o.k.    and that's for all of the race's  just becuase a race house's more fighters/bombers per squad doesnt mean u should make their carriers more expensive!!  it just means that particular race uses squads alot

wich in turn means it has weaker ships of other classes (ever tried advent HC?  doesnt even get close to be as good as skarova's/kodiaks

Well you just have to look at today's strike forces on the sea ever since the Royal Navy's attack on Toranto harbour against the Italian navy in WW2 with outdated sorwdfish biplans the aircraft carrier has been at the top end of naval warfare for major countries. Pearl Harbour for the Japanease navy, and most major battles in the pacific for the American navy afterwards.

So it wouldn't bother me to have carriers with a bit more firepower, because they are today. Also they are protected by a horde of destroyers (cruisers and even battleships during WW2) so its nice to see that they are finally seeing their place in the game

It's definitely made the game more challenging.  You have to balance out having the necessary amount of strikecraft with having enough light frigates, LRMs, and HCs to take down other vessels.  I'm not sure if I like it or not but I'm reworking my strategies now.

I agree with the OP and I dont care about his english skills. He is right because right now carriers are the pinnacle of any fleet. If you dont have it and your opponent does then you are at a serious disadvantage. Is it supposed to be like this?

After playing the .09 beta I thought the same thing which is why I started working on this mod below Emphasize capital carrier/fighter roles,

Mainly to eliminate support carriers and make capital ship carriers actually worth it. You don't see present day navies having little micro aircraft carriers running all over the place.

Now I agree you should be a good player and be prepared to balance your fleet, but the problem is, with these numbers of fighters it generates a rock paper scissors combat problem.

If you have someone that has a huge fleet of ships and tons of flack frigates and only a few support carriers with fighters, and they go up against a fleet thats all carriers with bombers, its highly likely the mixed fleet will still get destroyed.

Sure you can answer this with more carriers, but you start seeing the only answer to carriers with bombers is, well...carriers.

Problem with a huge carrier fighter fleet against  huge bomber fleet is, the bombers can kill the carriers before they get destroyed by fighters, so if the fleet with bombers can destroy a few carriers of the fighter fleet, then you start seeing a tip in the bombers favor because then the bomber carriers can rebuild their squadron and slowly take out the rest of the fighter carriers. Even if the bombers are completly annilated when rebuit, if they still get one shot off, over time the bomber carriers will win.

This depends on fleet size though. 4 carriers vs 4 carriers, you won't see that much of a change. But if you are talking 20 30 carriers where bombers can destroy a carrier or  3 in one pass, the bombers will eventually win. It still takes a pass or two for the fighters to kill all the bombers. Even then the fighter fleet is now down 3 to 6 carriers and the bomber carriers are building more bombers.

Anyways this is just my two sense maybe I am wrong on a few things, but thats my experience so far.

myeh maybe I am wrong, It probably depends which fleets are versus which, I was playing advent vs a freinds vasari fighter fleet just to see what happened.

I won, but it I think I might have been in my culture so my carriers were able to recharge their antimatter which helps too.

And even though vasari are more powerful they can only shoot at one thing per a pass and have fewer fighters per squadron, and if you add the fact that advent get that extra is 5 or 7 fighter squadron on top of that, maybe that really made the difference for me too.

Oh well, I don't play enough multiplayer to experiment too often, the AI you can't because it just rolls over in the face of a mass fleet of bombers, then runs, and loses the rest of its ships when trying to jump out. (This is Hard AI too)

Maybe we will have to play one of these days hack78, so you can show me the shame of my ways..lol.

Nope - antimatter is the TEC bonus. Vassari get a damage output bonus.

I'm online as Hack. On Australian evenings and weekends (unless fiancé decides otherwise!!!!).

I won't be on as much after 11th as I am moving and need to get new internet connection setup etc... AND going away for Xmas....

I think they weakened flak in the hopes of making carriers and strikecraft more effective.

I think I can translate his OP! here goes.

                      Do you guys think that carriers are too strong now?

When carriers attack, my ships die like flies! Even the defense ships don't help! Come on, the Advent's all over me!

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is that easier to read now?

I don't know about this whole "Advent Owns All" narrative.  Sure, when you get Siddy's battleball up you are close to unstoppable, but before that? 

Let's strip out micro, tech, and abilities and look at basics for a moment.  No micro on ten Vasari Carriers vs. ten Advent Carriers, all fighters, half and half, and all bombers.  Who wins?

But the advent carriers cost more, so the vassari should be fielding more of them....

edit on my previous post >.> 

i did some more games with carriers,   my enemy had a full RA fleet whilst i had around 75 (aslo as vasari) carriers,  guess what,   i won,    i didnt lose alot either,  just 10 carriers (with them running away ofcouse,   my massed bombers and fighter 2/3 fighter 1/3 bomber....     thats still 100 fighter squads and 50 bomber squads..     

Advent carriers apear to be even more powerfull then i previously thought...   since they house 3 squadrons and each squadron has a very high (8 im in not mistaken)  fighter count    so again Advent have the advantage,    and this time,  they have the "most imbalanced" carrier of the game,  over the fact that other race's carriers are also imbalanced...  thats some seriously imbalanced carrier - .-

it might cost a little more,  but when u add the numbers, they pay x1.5 the price,  for 3 instead o 2 extra squadrons, so that is fair   the problem starts with advent having a high number of crafts per squadron ...  4 extra doesnt mean alot in a single squad   but in 100 squads thats 800 fighter's  over vasari's 400 and alot fo games end up with who has the most carriers, wins the game

shouldnt something be fixed about this as soon as possible :/?

Iv been playing this game since its early days, and with the release of 1.1 i feel that it has become a pointless race to carriers against opponents who are ALL advent. Advent was already the most played faction prior to 1.1, and now it seems all the other factions SUCK. Thats right, SUCK. Vasari RA is pointless, since it costs money, is slow, and cant face off advent carrier rush. Vasari carriers are much worse than advent carriers due to the amount of strikecraft.

    >>> Vasari is out of the game

TEC carriers arent doing well either - and now that balanced fleets DIE within minutes against an all carrier fleet - makes TEC pointless as well.

   >>> TEC is out of the game

RESULT: Everyone plays ADVENT, everyone SPAMS carriers. So, technically, if u had a bad start (i.e. bad starting position), then you and your advent carriers will die, cuz your advent neighbour made 3 more carriers than you. Cool.

Oh and stop comparing sins to either ground or naval strategy - the amounts of argumentative points are limitless. Take the game as it is right now, which is: UNBALANCED, ADVENT-FILLED, and solely centered around CARRIER production.

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