This is imprecise.

(I will also call "Islam" "Muhammadism" if you don't mind, to differentiate between followers of Muhammed and earlier followers of other prophets, since in Islam/Muhammadism both are referred to as "Muslims".)

Judaism does not see itself as a religion and does not deny that other cultures might follow the same god and got different instructions from Him.

Zoroastrianism believes in the same god as Judaism and Christianity and believes that it and Judaism are the same religion.

Yazidiism (the native religion of the Kurds before Islam) shares the same belief system with a few modifications that (likely) do not contradict Zoroastrianism or Judaism.

Muhammadism (and I am talking here about its original form before Arab nationalism and the modern heresies) saw itself as a true religion next to Judaism (as per the constitution of Medina, the first Islamic state, and the Quran grants that Judaism, Christianity, and Sabianism (whatever it is) are also true religions and that their adherents can go to heaven.

It should be noted that in Hebrew there are two word for "religion": "amona" (which means something like "belief" or "gospel" and is the source of the word "amen"; and "dat" (which means "law").

Religion in the Biblical sense is not "religion" as we think of it today, but "law". (The Tora is a law book.)

In Biblical times (and in Muhammadism 1000 years later) the understanding was not "different religions" but "different laws". Those who believed in the one G-d, Jews, Muhammadists ("Muslims"), Zoroastrians, Yazidis, later Bahais and Druzim etc., BELIEVE in the same beliefs but FOLLOW different laws.

Christianity was the first of the Abrahamic/Zoroastrian religions that claimed a monopoly on truth; and the Catholic Church established that "truth" in committees. That's why Christians were taught not to read other scripture and to believe lies about other scripture, because a truth created by committee is fragile. (If the churches were sure about their truth, they would encourage their followers to read everything else, not actively discourage them or forbid it.)

St. Matthew Chapter6 verse 5-6

PRAYER

"Again, when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites, who love to pray standing in the synagogues and at the street corners, in order that they may be seen by men. Amen I say to you, they have received their reward. But when thou prayest, go into thy room, and closing thy door, pray to thy Father in secret, and thy Father, who sees in secret, will reward thee."

And christians think that Jesus intended a new "church" and a new religion? For is this not what you do? Stand in church and pray so that you all may be seen by one another?

so when God gave the first indication he was sending a Messiah in Gen 3:15 he was indicating this Messiah COULD BE a woman?

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and hers; HE will crush your head and you will strike HIS heal."

I believe Eve thought (by her reaction) that Cain was just this Savior when she declared that she did indeed produce a man child.

How about the story of Abraham sacrificing Isaac? Was that just an unattached story having no bearing on the upcoming Messiah?

How about Moses saying there will be a prophet that is greater than he and you will listen to him?

How about all the Pharisees and Jews of the NT who question both Jesus and John the Baptist asking if they were the Messiah?

How about the cruel prediction of crucifixion in both Isaiah and Psalms of this Messiah? Would they have done that with a woman?

How about Zechariah who said that the Messiah would ride into Jerusalem on a donkey written hundreds of years before? Do you know what that symbolized?

No, it's quite clear the OT prophecies pointed to a man Messiah. Can't help that some believed it would be a woman. In fact Leauki this is the first I've ever heard of this.

Of course she was a prophet.

http://www.jewfaq.org/prophet.htm

Prophets are not perfect. But Sarah was and is regarded as a prophet in Judaism.



Don't know off-hand.




The Talmud lists seven female prophets among Israek:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/The_List_of_Prophets.html

You forget that Judaism has the Tanakh and the Oral Tora (which was later codified in the Talmud). It doesn't have to be in the Bible to be part of Judaism.



Not sure we use the same definition of "prophet". See below regarding Dvora:




Ok.



Judges 4:4

"V'Deborah asha nevi'a ashat lapidot hi shafeta et yisra'el ba3at haHi"

"And Deborah woman prophetess woman (wife) of lapidot (Gen.) she judged Israel (Acc.) at time that one (i.e. at that time)."

I looked up Miriam and she is also called a prophetess ("nevi'a"). Don't know about the others. Don't want to track down all the text now.

Incidentally, I didn't know the word "3at" (Ayin Tav) for "time". According to my dictionary it means "time", "age", "era". I did know the word "3atiq" for "ancient", however. (This is where English "antique" ultimately comes from, I think.) Learned something new. The normal word for "time" is "zman" as in "Ani lomed kol-haZman" ("I am learning all the time").




Very well. They are highly regarded in Judaism (and Islam) and, in contrast to the male prophets few jokes are told about them.

I do not know if all the male prophets were referred to as "nevi'" in scripture. Those that appear in "nevi'im" ("prophets") are presumably all prophets, but that includes some of the women.

I am not going to look that up now, but as I said, Hebrew doesn't have a neutral gender and uses the grammatically masculine gender for "male" and "indetermined".



I don't know what Eve thought or whether she even existed as described.



Why would it have a bearing on the upcoming Messiah?



I can find Moses saying that another prophet will come. (Deuteronomy 18:15) But I cannot find a word meaning "great" or "greater" in the sentence. Which statement are you referring to?




I have no idea what they were thinking.



I don't know how Roman law worked regarding the death penalty for women rebels and fugitive slaves.

I also don't know where the crucifixion is predicted in Isaiah or the Psalms. (Don't know the Hebrew or Aramaic word for "crucifixion" either.)




I _believe_ it symbolises that the Messiah could be of seemingle humble origins... Could also mean that he is rich enough to own a donkey. Could be a metaphor for anything, really. Ask a rabbi.



I do not believe that it will be a woman. I am saying that nothing says that it will be, specifically, a man. A woman can be a great king (and the masculine form of the word would be used in Hebrew) and there is no requirement that would require it to be a man.

Note: Numbers 26-27 shows women possessing land for their father's inheritance. The daughters of Zelophehad.

Jews also believe that there were thousands of prophets all over the world, the Bible merely mentions those sent to the Jews.

If this be the truth Leauki, why do you worry so about being "shown up" and having your authority being questioned?

Goodness, such a rich discussion in my absence. Thank you all.

 

I do not know how to separate women's roles from discriminatory practices. I see Paul saying women should not be leaders, that they should remain silent (and let the men do the talking) and I read women such as Lula and KFC defending this as non-sexist.  Oy. I think if women's roles are relegated to the kitchen and family by the church fathers that this points to a view of women by that church that is less than equal.

See ya.

Still no answer KFC? Your silence speaks volumes. more than you realize. Apparently you don't have any answers, and I am not in the least surprised by this.

A cigar.

Think about it!

That's a bit far-fetched.

Following your analogy, G-d would have another prominent son born of another woman a few years earlier.

well as far as I know I thought everyone took this for granted as it's been believed and thought this way for thousands of years. I mean I understand why you wouldn't believe this to be true coming from a Jewish perspective and not holding to the fact that Jesus fulfilled these, what Christians believe to be, prophetic scriptures. So if I'm far fetched I'm in good company.



no, this just proves that Abraham messed up. It wasn't supposed to be that way. God told him to wait for a son but he and his wife were impatient. He wasn't perfect you know....  

Many of the OT saints were imperfect types of Christ. I went into this already...remember when I said Joseph was probably what most believe the best picture of Christ out of all of them? He was as close to being perfect as any of them. My husband and I are currently watching (2 part story) the story of Joseph after having studied him at length.



exactly. Nightshades I'm doing my best to ignore you remember? I told you I find it useless talking to you. I actually think you are border line insane if you really want the truth.



probably what he'd been riding up until that point of time...nothing. His feet carried him everywhere he wanted to go up until that point. Not unusual.

When Jesus began to ride into the city the multitude spread their garments in the road. It was an ancient custom for citizens to throw their garments in the road for their monrch to ride over basically saying "we place ouselves at your feet even to walk over if necessary."



the part where it says to be silent was on the order of tongues. It's a matter of context. There were many women who were allowed to speak up. The basic point in all of this was that the women were not to usurp the men's positions sanctioned by God. We see woman prophets, evangelists,teachers and even one leader (under a man's headship tho) and judge in Deborah. When there are NO men to lead then that is another matter as in the case of Deborah. She had to lead Israel in battle because Barak was too coward to do so.