Sodaiho, why would I go to the 4th or 5th Century when I can go to the first century and get the real scoop especially when these Gnostic gospels contradict all over the place the historic Christian writings? Paul warned us about these gnostic writings back in 60 AD when he wrote to the Colossians warning them about these false teachings that were going around.

Philosophers and false teachers who fused religion and Greek philosophy had attempted to modify the gospel message in this church by relying on human wisdom and traditon. God is the God of order; Satan is the god of Chaos and these gnostic gospels do nothing but create chaos and confusion to those who have no idea what's what.

There is no proof that the gospels were written in the current time of Jesus or even in the years following, neither is there proof that they were directly written by the apostles. Since most of them were common men, the odds are they didn't even know how to write at all. The only way to be sure is to ask THE I AM.

"God is the God of order; Satan is the god of Chaos and these gnostic gospels do nothing but create chaos and confusion to those who have no idea what's what."

Is that why you heed so often to the voice of Paul? Because he interprets for you? Is it because you don't understand the meaning of Jesus's words?

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Thank you adventure. I will do that in the future.

Who says they are filled with errors and contradictions and are heretical? Paul of Tarsus? Perhaps you don't consider James, Mary, and Andrew apostles and disciples either, funny Jesus did, but I forget he didn't have Paul of Tarsus's authority and knowledge to guide him in the chosing, he only had God. I think that before you state that there was no apostolic authority you ought to read them. Because that's who the authors of many of them are. But better one should take the word of Paul of Tarsus, he was there with Jesus, and got the truth right from Jesus's own lips, so he knew exactly what Jesus taught, didn't he?

Or maybe it was Constantine who converted to christianity simply because he saw a vision of a crucifix in the sky, and heard a voice that told him if he lead his troops with it, he'd be victorious in battle against his enemies. Now that's a great reason to convert to chritianity that was itself based on the teachings of "love thine enemies, and do good to those that hate you" and "turn the other cheek", isn't it? Maybe it was Jesus himself that told him to go out and slay his enemies. Why do I find all this to be quite implausible, not to mention utterly ridiculous?

It was Constantine who insisted that the gospels be sorted through and combined together into one and only one accepted canon. And by men no less, who like himself lived long after the time of Jesus and the apostles. Wonder how they decided which were acceptable and which weren't. I guess they must have used a psychic. They certainly didn't have anyone with first hand knowledge to tell them. Not even the self proclaimed authority of Paul.

Be brave! Read them. Decide for yourself whether it's the truth or not, better yet ask God. It won't hurt, and you won't go to hell either for doing so. As for being "tempted" you are "tempted" every day of your life, and God doesn't protect you from it either. The truth can take it and stand on it's own merit, even if you can't.

Here's another little thing for you to consider as well. Why are there only four gospels? Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. Jesus had twelve disciples. Why is there also no gospel according to Peter?

No Adventure, I haven't and to tell the truth I don't know who that is. But I'm always curious, so please enlighten me as to who Marcion is.

Sodaiho posts #421

SoDaiho,
Up until the time of Christ and the development of Christianity, women, overall, were treated as slaves, servants, and playthings of men....definitely treated as inferior to men. Among some peoples, the fathers gave their daughters away in marriage to whomever would pay the most. Husbands had absolute power over their wives, being able to punish her, sell her as a slave, or even put her to death.

In time, this state of degragation ended in the lands that were Christianized. God in fact, in creating the first woman, pronounced these words, "Let us make him a help like unto himself." Gen. 2:18. Christ restored woman's primitive dignity as a companion of man, "like unto himself", like, not inferior. This elevation was brought about in various ways, the first being that Christ was born of a woman, for the New Testament tells us that "God sent His Son, made of a woman."

After that as we have discussed, Christ elevated woman by resoring the unity, indissolubility and sancticty of marriage, making her queen of the home enshrining her natural gifts. There is no more noble vocation for a woman than to be a wife and companion, a mother and a homemaker.


SODAIHO POSTS: #430 [quote]However, women are not equal according to Paul. Women are subservient and should keep quiet.
Colossians 3

18: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19: Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them. 20: Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. 21: Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

Ephesians 5

21: Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. 23: For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24: As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.
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1 Timothy 2

8: I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9: also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire 10: but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. 11: Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. 12: I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

Hardly a world where a woman can grown into her own.[/quote]

These passages describe Christian marriages..so, it's not surprising that your summation is wrong...just the opposite of what is true as a matter of fact. Men and women are most free and happy, their marriage growing to its fullest, when they are following what Our Lord God Almighty wants for them in their marriage vocation. These passages are God's guidelines...The wise follow God's directives.

These passages do not mean that woman are subserviant to their husbands. Women are to be subject to their husbands only becasue of the need of authority and order in the family which calls for unity of command. Though subject to him, the wife is always his companion, not his servant or doormat. The next verse is "Let everyone of you in particular love his wife as himself." The power of the husband has well defined limits: he's the head of his wife, but for her welfare....He couldn't have a loftier Examplar than Christ who delived Himself up for His beloved Spouse, the Church.

This subjection doesn't deny or take away the liberty which fully belongs to the woman as a human person, a wife, a mother and a companion. Why? becasue it doesn't bid her to obey her husband's every request if not in harmony with reason or the dignity due her.

The body is the family, and the husband the head of the family, the wife the heart...if the heart is separated from the head, then it is to the detriment of the family and eventually will be its ruin.

Obviously, the world today under secular humanism today doesn't see marraige/woman/man relationships in the Christian sense. For the most part, in conversation, romances, on stage, movies, women, their virtue and honor, are not held in high regard, respected or defended.

So, here we see that, except in the light of Christianity, women are destined to lose her noble preprogatives, to abase herself, and forced to serve the less noble instincts of man.

One has only to look at the current state of females in Muslim countries to know that they have nowhere near the equality that those in Christian nations do Leauki.

What female prophets are you referring to?

According to the text of scripture although women are to be considered equal in many areas especially in the spiritual they are not completely equal in the fact that God has mandated that men should be the head of families and worship. Also, men are not equal with women in the fact that they cannot bear children. God had diff roles for men and women and when they operate in the context that God had in mind for them, blessings happen.



Well I'm not sure why that would be. Moses and the prophets did.

Muslim states do not reflect not all muslim men, just as christian states do not reflect all christian men. You take what you hear KFC and believe that it is the truth without finding out for yourself whether it's valid or not. I know muslim men and I know christian men, and some of the muslim men treat their wives with far more respect and love and give them far more equality then the christian ones do.

Hi All,

We were at our refuge over the last three days and found ourselves flooded in.  Terrible storms and tons of rain prevented us from leaving. Finally, this morning, a Sheriff in a very big truck was able to get us out.  I hope to catch up in the morning. 

Be well.

LEAUKI POSTS:

Yes, you are, but only one of us has the truth.


Both Hebraic and modern day Judaism, Christianity and Islam (Muhammadism) believe there is one God, yet, they are 3 distinct religions.

I've already expressed my thoughts as what only religion possesses the truth. It's Christianity, and specifically Catholicism. I say this because Rabbinic Judaism, Islam and all the various Protestant sects are man-made containing truth mixed with error.

There is only one truth in religion. Truth is neither yours nor mine...it's independent of either of us. We hold things becasue they are true. They are not true because we happen to believe them. Truth is in possession. It's also consistent.

While truth can be viewed from different angles, truth cannot be different from itself. We cannot say that people who believe contradictory things are viewing the same truths though.