As its been said numerous times already, i wanted to say that i feel very good when i spend $60+ dollars on a game that will last me anywhere from 30 mins to over 3months, rather then spend $60+ dollars on something i beat in one night.
Perfect example of a little game called Elder Scrolls 4:Oblivion. That game has been played by me for over 250+hrs, and i still find myself going back to it. but halo 3 i beat in less then 8hrs on the elite difficulty.
My hats off to you Ironclad, although i havnt played the game yet, iv read enough posts to know my money is going to be well spent and that im looking forward to many weeks of gameplay.
and really, what where any of you people who expected it to be only 30 min games thinking, do your research first so we dont have to hear your whining.

I agree I think that game is way to slow. Or the ships and structures just take too long to kill. I always have all my settings on fast and even on small maps a single game takes hours. I usually don't mind the length of a game, its just that everything is happening extremely slow.

I hope 1.2 fixes some of the game play aspect of the game. Maybe re balancing ship hp would makes things faster.

And does anyone hate the cat and mouse AI. ??

I hate chasing enemy ships from one planet to another. Even when I am outnumbered 4 to 1 they always run away. Even when I am attacking their home planet.

Woot! Just spent that last 9 hours in a small random 2 player normal AI with fast research, high resources, and normal speed game. I of course had to capture everything and destroy the pirates while researching all the techs and building every ship I possibly could. Oh what a blast. The pirates were a pain in the butt! They wiped like 5 fleets with 4+ capital ships in each (not all at once, but over the course of the game). Eventually took 5 capital bombardment ships and 50 million squadrons of fighters to root them out. On Normal! Its been sooo long since I've play a game that was this satisfying and challenging. Its like you wanna light up a cigarette afterward, it was that good. I probably wont try hard until the patch when the pirates get a bit of a nerf and the bombardment ships can be killed a bit quicker. I found it slightly irritating when a dozen or so of those ships would enter my space and I have 15 squadrons, 3 capitals, half dozen frigates all attacking them and they still manage to get my planet in the red or worse. Had decent tech upgrades too. But whatever. This game is fantastic and the length just means you get your moneys worth!

If you want something quick, go play CnC3 for all of about 16 seconds before you get bored of it and move on to the next. For me, I'm gonna stick with the random maps where I can play in half a dozen star systems with a hundred or so planets for days on end.

Thanks a ton Ironclad and Stardock! You've truly made a great game! Keep up the great work!

So you think it's ok for kingberk's to do personal attacks just as long it fits your opinions. Right-o...

I've been around the gaming scene for the better part of 20 years, I know what I'm talking about. BioShock, Oblivion and countless of other games are a good example of what happens when the devs start catering games to console gamers with attention span of 30minutes. I admit they are still good games, but not even near they could have been (especially BioShock).

We're talking multiplayer right? Not just the computer, but with one or more human beings. If I'm ready to play and you're not or vice-versa then the saved game is useless. I want to finish a game, not play virtual phone tag with random people. I'm sure that I could eventually plan out a time to play with my friends, but things come up and plans change. Why can't there be an option for the people who can't devote blocks of 3-4 hours at a time and an option for all the dudes that apprently can?

@Syvere: So you're the gaming equivalent of a grumpy old man. Wonderful. I suppose "pyscho niche-gamer forumite" could be interpreted as a personal attack, but it came at the end of a trail of valid points. Your response merely dismissed him as "halokiddie" which is highly unlikely to be true and of questionable relevance. You're a textbook example of the PC gamer who thinks that anyone with different tastes that yourself is a complete and utter moron, despite blatant evidence that this is not the case.

Console gamers do not have 30 second attention spans, by the way. Long and slow-paced games are very successful in the console market (JRPGs, mostly, but the point stands). You are not doing the world any favors by propagating this myth.

@hawk: Two reasons - first, some people's problem may be with the pacing, and they want to play a game where they have to really strategize on the run. Saving can't do this. Second, getting everybody you need together to load a saved multiplayer game is an exercise in nightmare logistics.

I am only bringing up examples of Turn based games. Games that can only be played on the PC, and that are traditionally regarded as 'play at your own pace' games.

Where the heck did consoles come from? Where the heck did 'go play Command and Conquer/Starcraft' come from?

I think that many people that are playing small maps with 1 opponent think the speed is just right because they are NOT using the queuing system.

For me, I seem to always play the same game for the first 10-15 minutes. It may vary a tiny bit based on the number of connecting planets, but for the most part, my research, my planet construction, and my orbital construction are pretty much the same. Guess what? I queue that up.

In a normal 4x game, at this point, I would start tapping the end turn button. To get to the mid game, where the game starts to differ from other previous games.

Now we're at that mid game, I use fleets with the jump together move. I use rally points on my frigate and Capital ship yards. My scouts, auto scout. My colonizer ships actually auto colonize, even when the colony was just destroyed, 10 seconds ago, with enemy ships in the same system. I use the left hand nav to quickly select planets/shipyards. I continue to use queuing system everywhere.

There's are a ton of tools to allow you to think 10 moves ahead, quickly find something and input multi-orders into the system, just like a turn based strategy game. Unfortunately, if you do that in a small game setup, now you have to wait for those 10 moves to process.

Additional speed settings would allow those 10 moves to happen a little faster.

Single player is NOT the only place I would gain benefit from additional speed settings.

Anyone telling me that I'm playing Sins wrong is silly. I should try and find better friends, that are willing to play 5-8 hr games over 2-3 nights? I should just be happy with a multi-night single player?

I'd like everyone to try and count the number of multi-player games they play in a month that don't have the AI taking over for people who dropped, or didn't show. More often than not that is going to be the case.

MANY people are asking for faster and slower game speeds nicely, presenting solid statements on why it would be better for them. People who feel either way about the game speed, please stop trying to ridicule and stereotype in your posts. I know it's much easier to be an ass on the internet, but let's try and not be.

No one is asking for an end turn button. I am bringing up the concept of a 'turn' to show that some turns take a long time, and some turns are very short, with almost nothing being done other than the queue processing.

In a big map, there is much to do, even using queuing, and quick select. So turns generally do take a long time, the speed of the game is appropriate.

In a small map, there is not so much to do, using queuing, and quick select, turns don't take a long time.. the speed of the game seems too slow.

People are asking for more speed options. People are asking for the ability to create games that are faster, and slower than they can right now.

People are NOT saying consoles are better here. If you want to talk about console vs pc, please use this other thread
https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/?forumid=402&aid=174383#1450413

Well no. There are people complaining that it's not slow enough.

Faster speed would be nice for multiplayer In single you can ramp it up pretty easy. ;/

I let loose the "personal attacks" because I honestly thought i'd have an aneurysm if I didn't get it out of my system. You are a perfect example of ignorance, arrogance, and elitism. I figure I might as well stop the logical argument since you clearly don't listen to logic when you don't want to, and i've already made my point. Anybody with any level-headedness or even-handedness or even TOLERANCE agrees with me.

Go suck an egg, cod-bucket.

I've played 4 multiplayer games so far. 2 have had drops (1 person had to go, and others didn't want to stop, and 1 person just disconnected without reason, and didn't come back to the lobby). The other 2, were 1v1, and the other person didn't show up the following night like they were supposed to.

With 4 attempts at MP so far, (~9 hrs) I have yet to finish a multi-player game. It always comes down to those two issues. Some people want to stop playing, or some people don't show up.

That's going to happen with any game that stretches out over multiple nights. I've had it happen in Slower games of Civ, etc.

But that's not the real problem. The real problem is that, on a small map, with 1vs1, I'm sitting there watching the queue progress. Even if the game goes into multiple sittings. It's still too slow.

I keep saying this over and over again. This game has a ton of "make managing a REALLY large empire very easy" assists. Those assists also make it really easy to manage a small empire (like you would have in a SMALL map). This means that once you learn the game and UI, on small maps, you sit there waiting for the game to make your moves.

Think about all the ways that the game makes it easier for you, Left Hand menu, auto fleet join, rally points, auto colonize, auto explore, Auto ability use, Construction Queues, Research Queues, etc.


Are you trying to tell me "Well don't play on small maps?" or on small maps "Don't use those automation/Make it easy features?"