Lol. 2 hours too long?

I'm actually sad when I finish a game in less than three or four hours. I want that epic experience.

Sins needs an 'extra slow' more than an 'extra fast' option.

The game can last and end faster than 1 hour on a small map, play with a rush style and you'll be having a very intense game from start to finish. You can probably end a game close to the 20 minute marker actually if your opponent is relatively near and it is one system.

that requires everyone to start the saved game at the same time... its pointless for most people who dont know each other in real life... its great if ur playing against the ai but lets face it, no ai beats playing against an actual person.

This game clearly won't satisfy everyone. Not all games do. Perhaps some people just need to move on and forget about SINS, instead of wanting to change it so much that we won’t even recognise it anymore.

Are people walking into a store, seeing the letters RTS on the box and just slapping down some cash hoping to play generic space RTS #129425? There's words on the back too! I mean honestly, I'm not trying to be cheeky but I keep reading these same comments.

Even just visiting the site and reading the gameplay link gives you very clear information regarding what kind of game it is:

"...blending the epic strategy and empire management of the 4x genre with the fast-paced and tactical elements of a real-time strategy title."

All you twitchy players like to click things right!? Click a link. Don't turtle on knowledge!

read this:https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/?aid=175610#1448203

If Sins was desinged as a Deep RtS in space....all pro RTS suggestions/complaints would be valid. It wasn't. Set out at the get go to be a RT4X. As such, different standards/expectations should be set......4x standards/expectations. The OP's post would be perfectly valid if it were a RTS.

I've been playing RTS's since Dune, and competed as early as Warcraft. RTS is a cluttered field and any RTS is compared to all those that have come before it. This is something new. 4x games are supposed to take forever. 4x games are golden if they infect you with the "One more turn" syndrome. Theres no turns however, its got that same...I gotta do this before I log off.

With 4x games, amount of "settlements" and players generally determines game length. Devs gave us total control over these settings....so game last about as long as you want them to.

So how would you describe it then??

You play it in real-time, it isn't turn based and there is... strategy involved?

Hmmm... I think SD/IC should consolidate all the same topic threads into one at this point. It is the same argument over and over again. The people bitch'n about the RTS thing apparently dont want to take the time to read the other threads saying the same shit. This is NOT a RTS title in the traditional sense. It is a hybrid title and as such it is a NEW genera.

Maybe SD/IC should make a specific thread drilling in on the design aspects they decided to implement into Sins from both genera and why they felt so. Then direct all the RTS puritan FB to read the thread before starting another bitch thread.

RTS = "Real Time Strategy"

Sins is Real Time and its Strategy so why is it misleading?

Just because everyone got used to the same style of RTS over all these years?
Is there an unknown rule saying that a RTS isnt allowed to have deeper gameplay and longer games?
I dont think so. Sometimes games redefine a genre and i hope this will be the case with Sins.
The RTS genre stayed too long with its old and overused concept.

I suspect some of the pushback, ccarlton, against the idea of increasing the available speed settings is a matter of proprietary pride.

Having such an option might indeed turn the game into a clickfest, where the person who can rapidly build up a rush of frigates will overwhelm their opponents. And the idea of that is jarring against the slower sweep of the game as it is.

To use an example from a board game, I know a few chess players who *abhor* Blitz Chess, where the players have only a few minutes to make all of their moves, or they will lose. They consider it a perversion and distortion of the original game.

See this is all about semantics and expectation. The product's gameplay is a hybrid of the RTS and 4X genres. That's why there are people on this board compaining that the game is too fast and people saying that it is too slow. In recent years, no mainstream RTS game has had the defining characteristics of a 4X game, and I guess there were no 4X games with RTS traits. Company of Heroes is a perfect example of a RTS game that has deep gameplay, and exemplifies what people expect from the genre, just like CivIV or MOO. When you put 'RTS' on the box and website, and a '4XRTS' on the CD people are going to be miffed.

Interesting... Even my Starcraft matches with 5 or 7 people FFA lasted like 7 hours. Can't wait to go to a large LAN with this game...